Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[Alamo-Girl]

Amen. Praise God!!!

[1000 silverlings]

I’m sure more Catholics were bought than Protestants, especially the Italian variety. the Popes had artists on the payroll making them chalices and jewelry and any other geegaw that struck their fancy. And who knows what other services

[sitetest]

Always.

[windsorknot]

And who knows what other services

Please elaborate.

[1000 silverlings]

well you can read the life of Cellini, he was a known homosexual whom the pope at the time protected even after he murdered several people. Then there were the Medicis and their popes supporting many others, especially Michaelangelo, also known for his winsome ways, and Leonardo Da Vinci among others.

[MarkBsnr]

They found two of the pens that were used. Here they are

The Weekly World News confirms the case:

[windsorknot]

I proudly support Michelangelo whose contributions to the art world are rather notable. Leonardo da Vinci is no slacker either.

[OLD REGGIE]

The body of the poem is an allegory, and Elizabeth doesn't appear in it in any guise. The section I quoted is from the dedication (you know, as modern books have rather more modest dedications along the lines of "To my dear friend John"). I no longer have my books from grad school, and Spenser was the easiest to find on the Internet. But there's plenty more of the same type out there.

Archbishop of Canterbury praying to Queen Elizabeth. No! Wait! Pope JP II praying to Mary.

Give it up.

You're looking silly.

[1000 silverlings]

never said they weren’t

[OLD REGGIE]

RM: I am attacked for saying that someone received bad catechesis. May I defend myself and my allegation?

We are told repeatedly that someone knows about the Catholic Church because he was a Catholic.

Your frustration with what "We are told repeatedly" has some merit when considered in it's totality. On the other hand derisively dismissing what an ex-Catholic says about what they were taught and what their Catholic relatives and friends believe as simply "you were poorly catechized" is a simplistic and disengenerous argument.

The fact is, especially by your standards, that the vast majority of Catholics throughout the world are and always have been "poorly catechized".

I certainly hope you have cooled off enough in the last few days to reconsider whether your challenge which follows is realistic by any standards.

If your catechesis was as good as you say, you will be able to translate this:

Verbum caro, panem verum verbo carnem efficit: fitque sanguis Christi merum, et si sensus deficit, ad firmandum cor sincerum sola fides sufficit.

Tantum ergo Sacramentum veneremur cernui: et antiquum documentum novo cedat ritui: praestet fides supplementum sensuum defectui.

Do you honestly believe 1% of the Catholics in the world could pass your test?

Also, I see no valid for your crying to the Religion Moderator over this matter.

[OLD REGGIE]

Whatever happened to unity and consistency of teaching of the Catholic church anyway? If priests are permitted to be married, why is it so pervasive and such pervasive knowledge that Catholic priests are celibate?

Because Mad Dawg didn't tell you the whole story. Maybe he forgot? Maybe he didn't feel it necessary to explain the special conditions involved. Why don't you ask him?

[maryz]

Do you really see no distinction between being paid for your work (which those of us who don’t have trust funds do all the time!) and selling out your principles for money, which you insinuate Spenser did?

[maryz]

Is that bottom picture you? You’re better looking than I thought!

[1000 silverlings]

Let's see, even before I knew it was Spenser, I said that he was a poet who quite possibly had the queen as a patron. That would be some grad school you went to if you want to claim that you have no knowledge that poets, artists, including sculptors, painters, etc. have always been known, especially in Renaissance times, to have patrons. I said nothing about the man "selling out his principles" -- that remark belongs all to you

I also said that Italian artists were more likely to be patronized due to the wealth of the popes, and this is borne out by the examples that I posted. Nice try putting words in my mouth though.

[OLD REGGIE]

Suppose I buy a house and sometime later the seller calls me and says “watch out for that water heater, there’s a problem with the gas line to it”.

I go check the water heater and call him back to say “is the problem with the gas line that there isn’t one because it’s an electric water heater?”

He then starts telling me it used to be his house so obviously he knows it just as well if not better than I do and he’s even got a copy of the plans.

Or perhaps the old water heater was changed out in the interim. (Communion in one kind - Communion in both kinds).

But beyond that, when someone tells me something that I know isn’t true I’d far rather assume that they’re honestly telling me what they believe and were merely misinformed.

You're much too reasonable. :-)

[maryz]

I said nothing about the man "selling out his principles" -- that remark belongs all to you

The insinuation belongs to you -- why else would you dismiss what he wrote as being only for money?

I know about patronage. Quite a similar situation to politicians -- some accept money from those who agree with them and want to support their principles; some sell their votes in exchange for money.

[1000 silverlings]

Well the truth appears to be that he did indeed take the manuscript to court hoping to find a sponsor and he was rewarded with a pension. I didn’t insinuate anything — you are mind reading

[1000 silverlings]

we could always go back to the original kernel that you wanted to make a fuss about:

Do any Protestants today worship QE1? Do we build shrines to her? pray to her? put her into our theology, add her to the Trinity, dress up little statues of her and carry her thru the streets? give her a sceptre in heaven to rule over us? make her the doorway to heaven?

I do believe that was the topic you avoided with your strawman argument

[stfassisi]

LOL! That’s very funny

[OLD REGGIE]

I realize this is going to result in tons more Latin, however, I HATE THE LATIN. I find it arrogant, condescending, obscuring, obsfucating, haughty, cheeky and elitist. English has the largest vocabulary in all of history and plenty words to use to get the most complex or nuanced idea across.

Since there is no such thing as a native Latin speaking cadre in the Vatican all the "pure" Latin documents are necessarilly translations from some other language. This may account for so many "poor" translations over the years.