Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
that’s right who grew wings and fled into the desert. Mary gets around
Whoever you interpret the woman as “grew wings and fled into the desert.”
But the Church did not give birth to Christ.
Catholic theology hyper fuses her to the HS or are y’all going to deny that now? She’s the door to Christ, no one comes to Christ except thru her, she’s the Gatekeeper. She’s the dispenser of all graces, your co redeemer, and on and on. Or she isn’t. which one is it
I don’t recall at this point. would have to click back through half a dozen posts. Not a priority at the moment.
I think you’d asked some question of an RC about some article or issue related to the Real Presence or some such. and I just wanted to know if you ever got an answer. It was one of those questions that the RC’s hereon typically never answer.
My confusion returns???
I previously had posted a question concerning whether you actually believed Revelation-Apocalypse 12 referred to Mary and was convinced I was imagining something.
Now it seems clear you are saying the woman is Mary.
I repeat my previous question. Do you, then, believe Mary had other children?
Apocalypse 12 (Catholic RSV)
17 Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. And he stood on * the sand of the sea.
This woman had other "offspring".
INDEED.
VERY TRUE.
The amount of disinformation has to be huge in such a topic field.
What about a group that fuses Mary permanently to the Holy Spirit and says that she is the door to Christ? That’s 4 not 3, so that isn’t Trinitarian either
ABSOLUTELY INDEED.
YUP.
INDEED.
IIRC, someone on our side—Dr E, I think—posted some quotes from the Catechism which affirmed similar outrages re Mary.
I thought this was a requirement for every Christian to wait on the Lord and listen for the still small voice of God.
I understand your concerns and emphases especially when filtered through the Romanist lens of the Church. I’m NOT denying that God has instituted certain authority structures to restrain evil. The question is what are those structures and how do they interrelate?
Consider the 5th Commandment to honor your father and mother. Of all the authority structures God could have chose to restrain evil in his wisdom he chose that structure which is most decentralized. Perhaps it’s surprising that God did not command them to honor and obey Moses?
Reading the biblical narratives one should come away with the distinct feeling that centralized authority structures that overstep their rightful boundaries will necessarily lead to tyranny, not to mention subsequent history.
To me Romanism is a repeat of the errors of Old Israel thinking that a human convention is what defines God’s people. The Prophets were singular in their cries that the people needed realize that human conventions were not the thing in themselves but pointed to a greater reality.
Here’s what should strike you in counterpoint to your concerns. Despite Israel’s reliance on human convention they still fell into idolatry. The greater danger, ISTM, is that a heresy once incorporated into a society dedicated to human convention can never be reformed because of that convention.
ISRAEL
DID.
NOW, NOW. BRO.
What do you think that
—rubber histories
—rubber ‘Bible’s’
—DAFFYNITIONARIES
and
weasel words are for???
Evidently the listening to God’s Still Small Voice part
has been removed from the Vatican Rubber ‘Bible.’
To me Romanism is a repeat of the errors of Old Israel thinking that a human convention is what defines God’s people. The Prophets were singular in their cries that the people needed realize that human conventions were not the thing in themselves but pointed to a greater reality.
Here’s what should strike you in counterpoint to your concerns. Despite Israel’s reliance on human convention they still fell into idolatry. The greater danger, ISTM, is that a heresy once incorporated into a society dedicated to human convention can never be reformed because of that convention.
If Christ had wished to decentralize the structure of his Church, he would have instituted it quite differently. Part of his wisdom is evidenced in that it still exists today.
The early heresies show the wisdom of the Church having authority. We would not have the basic statements of our faith, the creeds, without them.
Or we would have a multiplicity of faiths and doctrine, as has arisen outside the authority of the Church.
Whatever still small voice that said there's grey bioengineered critters walking around is not one I would put a lot of trust in.
Sorry, you have to perform a lot more contortions to get Israel out of it than Mary.
You seem to be assuming that non-Catholic Churches aren't run by humans. I think that's an erroneous assumption.
NOPE.
THE CONTRARY IS MORE THE CASE BY FAR.
SHOEHORNING “MARY” INTO THOSE VERSES IS ABSURDLY PREPOSTEROUS.
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