I'll join right in.
Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.
Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
agreed, How about this, What if your most correct interpretation is false?
I'll join right in.
Oh, and was it an oversight when you converted my "...cup has been offered for a few, in terms of Church history, years." to "few years" (several decades)?
Church history is not counted in decades is it?
Again, a contradiction - can't be both.
Sorry, it’s not THAT huge a deal at this point. The moment has passed. LOL.
Mostly just jerk-faces being jerk-faces more than usual.
I just really hated to see it involve such an excellent American disabled Veteran who’s such a historic person in all the UFO stuff. Claiming he didn’t exist really pushed my buttons.
I'm afraid you are wasting your time. This has been explained several times but the same agitators insist on throwing their spitwads.
I agree that this is the standard Amill interpretation
Spiritual Israel, not secular Israel, and there were always two, like there is today, and not Mary,--- it is the church in the wilderness, Acts 7:38
You would just have to say the interpretation is false.
And again, looking at the scripture, it seems to me that Mary, Christ and the Body of Christ are what’s being referred to. It’s actually one of the more clear portions of Revelations. There’s a lot, a whole lot, of the rest that you can read all kinds of things into. This part, however, clearly refers to Mary, Christ and the body of Christ.
woman, in painful labor, gave birth to a son who ascended to his throne, the remnants of her seed have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Mary, Jesus, Body of Christ.
Since the Body of Christ is the Church, you can use typology, and Paul, to bring Israel into it, but the woman who gave birth to a Son who ascended to heaven.. is obviously Mary.
OK Agreed again,
What if your interpretation is false, Is your mind free and open enough to hear the still small voice of God reveal the truth primarily through his Holy Word?
The Church did not give birth to Christ, the Church was instituted by Christ.
Where the heck do you think I'm coming from?
But Revelations is not for just anyone. As you well know a great many have come up with a great many fanciful tales, often taking others into darkness with them - all while thinking they heard the voice of God.
I'm a bit more careful.
Plus governments are big on disinformation to conceal the truth. To tell a really big lie they tell a little truth with it. One of “the sightings” is pretty well believed to be the lunar landing thing— it was described by eyewitnesses and left 3 pod tracks in the sand. If they can make everybody believe only kooks see UFOs, then they pretty much squelch reports.
What about a group that fuses Mary permanently to the Holy Spirit and says that she is the door to Christ? That's 4 not 3, so that isn't Trinitarian either
Your presented position here is amill and replacement theology, not necessarily unchristian in today's world but limiting to the possibilities especially with regard to end time events IMHO. I used to be amill and RT also.
I’ll put it another way. I have researched the scripture under discussion, read and checked the references, possible symbology, the expert opinion for and against, etc.; I feel confident in my conclusions - which are far from original.
In doing so, I can easily see the difficulty of the whole book. It takes a great deal of knowledge to attempt a complete interpretation and even those who have it, disagree. It’s apocalyptic writing - not journalism.
No amateur or dilettante is going to have credibility with me. Sitting down with it and free-associating, listening for the still small voice...
It may convince you of your result, but not me.
Well if you go back and read that book that Quix posted it appears that she does
All I attempted to present her is that Mary, Christ and Body of Christ are solid interpretations, among the most solid possible with a book like Revelations. And with Revelations, anything solid is very helpful with the less solid.
Whatever conclusions flow, flow.
The Church is very clear in teaching The Most Holy Trinity, and it doesn’t include Mary.
If you keep in mind the Incarnation, how and what occurred, then much of the other will become clearer to you.
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