Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
"Y'ALL RELENTLESSLY PROVE OTHERWISE VIRTUALLY 24/7"What say ye?
That’s easy. When Satan infects one’s heart one speaks for him. The evidence is clear with every sick bizarre post.
Ask quix, he appears to have some claims of knowledge about both UFO’s and what the Aimee followers think. Right Q?
You guys aren't very good at bait and switch game...
Had you followed the link I provided for the quote that all salvation must go thru Mary, you'd have seen it was from a popish encyclical...Right from the Catholic head hog to the bishops...
What is an Encyclical?
An encyclical is a formal pastoral letter written by or in collaboration with the pope. Encyclicals focus on timely teachings on matters of faith and morals. They are the usual means by which the pope exercises teaching authority as the chief pastor and teacher of the whole Church. Catholics are usually obliged to obey the moral and theological content of all encyclicals.
And where does this definition come from???
http://www.faithfirst.com/html/popeJohn/definitions/definitions.html
It's an encyclical...It IS the official teaching of your popes...You must go thru Mary to receive Salvation...
Consequently, stipulating most of the "humble, simple, Jewish girl" stuff, we think Mary's role in the Incarnation is really important.
(And how do we know she was 'simple' anyway? Lewis points out the ferocity of the Magnificat and suggests that when our Lord was on a tear, perhaps the people of Galilee said, "He's his mother's son.")
I guess it would help explain (not persuade) if I repeated what I said about metaphors and God. I start knowing a little about God because know a little about being a father. I am one and I had one.
But somewhere in there I realize that fathers on earth are the metaphor, that God is the REAL father, and we are approximations and imitations.
You all challenge us, when we are discussing the Sacrament with whether we think Jesus is really a door.
My answer is yes, He is THE door. Doors on earth are just pale imitations of what a door is, they are images of Him, not He of them. I pass through a door, and I am still here. But when I pass through Him, the old is made new.
Similarly, when He says my flesh is food indeed and my blood is drink indeed, He means it. It's my daily bread which is fake food, and convivial gatherings with my family and friends are little more than mockeries of the Blessed Sacrament which is a foretaste of the Heavenly banquet with wine on the lees well refined.
There is something similar going on with Mary. She was not just a 'surrogate mother,' a rent-a-womb. She was, in a way, the fulfillment of what motherhood had been created for.
We all know that our children are born to die. They are cherry blossoms: exquisite for a while, evoking yearning adoration (after their order) from us, precious beyond reckoning -- and we hope, most of us, only that we will die before them.
They are all wonders: in us (if we are mothers), with us, OF us, but not entirely. They matter so much to us and our duty is to let them matter that much and to let them go, when the time is right.
But this child was the perfection of childhood. And the sentimental adoration which is the impulse of every healthy mother was perfected in Mary by Him. He merited and still merits complete adoration, and in what other creature was that duty so willingly discharged?
He is all grace and favor. And He came to us through her. It is just fact that the incarnation was begun, not by her but in her. All grace and favor and love came to us through her. That is just history.
But look here: If you have brought someone to Christ, you know exactly how in one way you did it, and yet in another you did nothing, since God's Spirit did it all in and through you. We argue here about the nature of Mary's "fiat", but there is no question that she cannot take much credit for parturition. When a woman's time comes, it comes. She may fight it, but it happens will she or nill she.
She can say "fiat" to what is happening anyway, and surely that will tend to make for an easier birth. And while every sane husband thanks and praises his wife for bringing their child into the world, every sane wife, enjoying the admiration of her husband knows perfectly well that a lot of it happened without her.
So every person who has ministered the Gospel, who has shown the Divine Love, knows a little of what it is to be Mary, to be a mother.
And more than that, we can see in those to whom we are privileged to bring the love of Christ a little of what Mary saw in Elisabeth: Something within that person jumps for joy at what is within us.
It has been suggested here that God could perfectly well save someone on a desert island who had never met a Christian or seen a Bible. I dare say he could. But Paul asks, "... how are they to believe in Him of whom they have never heard, and how are they to hear without a herald ... ?"
It is God's way, evidently, to choose humans to bear His Love, as a tree bears fruit, or a mother a child.
In our case, the saying is not true, "You shall know the tree by its fruit," because we are sinners, and yet by God's grace we are sometimes permitted to bear grace to others, who taking into themselves what we bear come to new life.
We are clear that we are maybe a little like a corrupt old apple tree, still capable of a few good apples, and yet we check and shy away when someone says Mary is the Tree of Life, though the fruit she bore gave Himself for saving food to all whom the Father called. It is the fruit which justifies the tree, not the other way around, and we call Mary the Tree of Life only because she bore the fruit which drew to itself the poison of the fruit of that other tree and which gave Life to the world.
Just as the title "Theotokos" arises from an assertion about the Divinity of Christ, so most, if not all, the titles and attributions of Mary are really praising her Son at one remove.
The Psalmist says, "The Lord has done great things for us, and we are glad indeed." Our Lady says, "For he that is mighty hath magnified me, and Holy is His Name."
He has made her great, we think, and we join her in magnifying His Holy Name.
I say that this thread was started by a troll who has nothing positive to say about his own confession and, instead, decides to attack somebody else’s confession.
I further say that you are playing into his hands by feeding him.
I will refer you, again, to post #17. That is the only attention that this thread deserves.
:)
http://www.ewtn.com/library/encyc/p9ubipr2.htm
This is from your EWTN...What an unGodly and anti Christian religion that would spew such an atrocious lie...
You heard it here first: Jesus was not incarnate of Mary and was not brought to birth by her AND/OR Jesus is not everything we need for salvation.
It's a doctrine. It's not a Catholic doctrine, but it's a doctrine. For those who like that sort of thing, it's the sort of thing they like, to paraphrase Lincoln.
Me, I'm sticking with the Bible. I read that in Him all things hold together. I read that He will subdue all things under His feet and yield them up to the Father. I read that He was born of Mary. There it all is.
For some reason, that post seems more meaty and substantive than the earlier one . . . though less specific somehow. My memory is certainly fuzzy on the earlier one.
I think my main quibble with the above post is that saying that Mary is any kind of
A TREE OF LIFE
is at least setting foot on the road to blasphemy for this Proddy. Maybe other Proddys would disagree or feel differently.
To me—a TREE OF LIFE, THE TREE OF LIFE
is one of the SACRED NAMES OF GOD—IN THIS CASE, CHRIST HIMSELF.
It is as though every cell and fiber of my being retches at the idea or thought of anyone else daring to take or ascribe such a phrase to ANYONE else but God.
I understand your logic.
The priority of the sacredness of God’s Names takes priority over any such logic, imho.
Thanks for your patient essay.
If you can't discern the meaning of this document then how can you claim to correctly interpret scripture? You know this document in no way asserts Mary is mandatory for salvation. Poor critical analysis tends to confuse and lead to false assumptions. But others have told you the same thing many times yet you do not heed their admonitions and blame your failings on "Weasel Words" to compensate for inadequacies in comprehension.
“You have taken unwarranted license with the document which does not correlate to your assertion.”
That does seem to be the M.O. here. Sad.
HaHaHa...I didn't interpret anything...I read what it says...And posted what it says...Posted what your popes wrote...
Are you suggesting the simple words don't mean what they say, or they don't say what they say???
I think the best you can do is to accuse me of NOT interpreting the words but believing what they actually say...
There ya go...Let's see what you can do to twist it to make it mean or say something other than what it says...I didn't interpret anything...I took it at face value...Apparently you don't...
Ah, but that is not what HE CHOSE.
He could have just created Himself from dirt same as He did man but HE didn’t, did HE?
I told you about the "ambo" (lectern? reading stand?) at the Dominican House of Studies in DC -- the one somebody was insisting was a monastery?
I think I will try to get a photo the next time I'm there. It's a sort of normal ecclesiastical brass stand but "over top of it" is a small statue of a VERY pregnant Mary -- the stage of pregnancy which comes after "puh-reg-NANT" and is usually referred to technically as "Oh. My. Gawd!"
The bearer of the Word presiding, so to speak, where the word is brought forth. I think it's perfect!
I love to be the guy who reads the Bible at Mass. I don't do it on Sundays but at weekday Masses. I have been doing it since I was 10 or 11, and the usual problem of making oneself heard and understood is not a hindrance.
I am NOT one of those readers that tries to get eye-contact with the people. It's not ME I am proclaiming, but the Word. It would be better if I were invisible or in another room with a microphone.
The Bible is so great that it survives even the execrable translation our bishops have forced upon us. And it is just such a joy to try to make it come alive --- well, no, to let the amazing life that's in it come through my mouth.
As I approach the ambo, (not this one I described, just the boring one at my church) I always commit my reading to the Word, but I also sort of, as Obama would say, give a shout out to Mary, who also brought forth the Word.
But I understand, I think, some of the -- I don't want to trivialize -- diiscomfort with Marian piety. First, I think that If I read the reading FAIRLY well, people will say, "My! You read that very well." But if I read it REALLY well, they will say, "Wow! That was a GREAT passage of scripture!"
It's nice to be praised and all, but it's nicer to hear people praise the Lord.
But when somebody of whose piety I have no doubt says a nice thing about the way I read, that's okay. I know he 'heard' the Word, so I don't have to worry that I distracted him.
It may well be that some Catholics let Marian devotion distract them. But among the folks I hang with there is admirable commitment to and love of God AND a kind of affection or devotion to Mary which is of a noticeably different kind.
It's late and I'm beginning to babble.
I don’t think I have a single significant, if any, quibble with that whole post.
Thanks thanks.
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