Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
“My inclination is to do that though,...”
For me, too, or at least, in the past. But one day, I was sitting in my car at a 7/11, my wife inside picking up some bottles of water and snacks for the road. I had my window down, and up walked this handsome young gentleman, all dressed up in a suit and tie, and a Bible in hand.
He began preaching to me about the Gospel according to the Jehovah's Witnesses. Now, I'd just been reading a few nights before about the Jehovah's Witnesses. And here, I was kinda trapped. I could say something nasty and roll up my window, but there he would be standing, with accusing eyes. It's different when you can slam your front door in someone’s face, as then you don't have to look back that them.
Not being someone who really enjoys confrontation, and one who would absolutely hate the awkwardness that would ensue if I just told him to bug off and rolled up my window, I decided I'd have to engage him.
But suddenly, I began to remember all the stuff I'd been reading about Jehovah's Witnesses, and starting challenging him on his own turf. Politely, but nonetheless, pointedly. Suddenly, he was trapped in the discussion with me, and I didn't let go for a good long time. We went on with it for 40 minutes, my poor wife and sons waiting patiently. By the time we were done, the young man's smile was lost, he was sweating profusely, his tie undone, his suit soaked through with sweat.
I can't say that I began the conversation with good intentions. I didn't. I just wanted to give back some of what he was trying to shove in my face. But as we went, even though he found the conversation challenging and difficult, he didn't leave, and he responded in kind to a civil discussion.
I learned that day that it's better to engage folks who reject Catholic teaching (especially the aggressive anti-Catholics of whom we all come across), and to try to have civil discourse with them. In a private, one-on-one setting, many will be disarmed and will respond well. And then, they will at least have a hearing of Catholic truth.
Plus, a lot of times, when these folks come to the house, they've been walking around in hot and humid weather. It occurred to me that the very least I could do was offer them a place to sit in my air conditioned house, and a cup of cold water.
Sadly, that sort of dialogue is mostly impossible, here.
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LOL!
It may be wise in these end times to keep an open mind to the possibilities. The end time deception is way beyond our imagination.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 (Amplified Bible) 9The coming [of the lawless one, the antichrist] is through the activity and working of Satan and will be attended by great power and with all sorts of [pretended] miracles and signs and delusive marvels--[all of them] lying wonders-- 10And by unlimited seduction to evil and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing (going to perdition) because they did not welcome the Truth but refused to love it that they might be saved. 11Therefore God sends upon them a misleading influence, a working of error and a strong delusion to make them believe what is false,
It may be wise in these end times to keep an open mind to the possibilities. The end time deception is way beyond our imagination.
INDEED. THX.
“Fascinating” that people have to misstate Quix’ remarks in order to find something with which to argue.
Pretty lame.
Once a Proddy is made a punching bag or whipping post . . .
the game’s forever on, regardless of the facts.
LOL.
As you, ALAMO-GIRL AND JESUS say . . . COUNT IT ALL JOY.
Well, okay. If God says you have write like that, then you have to write like that.
For me, a lot of your posts are like a basketball buzzer. I mean they are painful, but sort of free of content I can use.
I don't know if that's a helpful comment.
I wasn't saying people 'care' in a kumbaya sense. I think they care enough that, say, a "white hanky" remark, which seems to express not only disapproval but mocking contempt is so painful that it compromises the thought process. If I feel I have a duty to listen to someone, but a lot of what that someone says is painful, after a while I'm going to resent the person and then I'm going to find ways too get out of the duty.
And I don't mean that it's so painful to hear that somebody thinks relics are nonsense. I mean it's painful to try to address the point in an atmosphere of contempt.
I don't know what someone intends except through what the person says and does. If someone SEEMS to give offense repeatedly, but says he does not intend offense, in the normal course I would think that the offenDER would modify his behavior while the offenDEE would try to look at that behavior in a new way.
If, however, the offenDER says, "I'm not changing a thing; it's your problem; deal with it," well, it won't be pretty.
I think that's just the way it is. I'm trying NOT to say "good" or "bad", but just to call 'em as I see 'em FWIW.
Much appreciate your candor.
Will ponder and get back to you.
Thx.
Is there no room in your heart for God the Father and the Holy Spirit? Love is not a finite commodity. I can love God with all of my heart, mind, and soul and still have love for my wife, children and grandchildren, brothers, sisters, friends and neighbors and can still find love for Mary and the Saints.
You can say whatever you want but to suggest one must know or understand philosophy to get into this debate is ridiculous...
I realize much of your religion is based on philosophy, the wisdom of man, but it plays no part whatsoever in understanding the spiritual wisdom that God provided for Christians...
You may think I am appealing to some intellectual elite or whatever. I understood (or misunderstood) you to be mentioning the Pauline teaching on the resurrection body's being different from the bodies we currently endure. I'm fine with that.
But it seemed that you were saying Jesus in heaven was not human any longer. Is that what you were saying?
Likely depends on what your definition of 'human' is...You mean physically, metaphysically??? The bigger question is: will we still be humans after we are resurrected??? Jesus was always there...Jesus/man is relatively new...Will Jesus stay at our level or will we move to his level???
I am saying what the scriptures are saying...I posted the scriptures...They are simple to read...Simple to understand...They don't need interpretation...
Jesus went into the bowels of the earth for 3 days...Did he take his body with him or did he hang it up on a hanger til he got back???
What are the chances of your body penetrating the crust of the earth???
We will get a new body...Jesus got a new body...Is it a human body??? Certainly not in the sense that we know and understand a human body...
We know a human body is a terrestial body...Is a human body also a terrestial, spiritual body??? Jesus didn't spell it out specifically but it certainly appears not...And the wisdom of your philosophers adds nothing to the question...
Is the body of Jesus the same material substance as the body you have??? Clearly not...
Reading the minds and hearts of 1.2 billion Catholics is a pretty amazing fete, even for you.
So happy to hear it. That means you must not believe Mary is your "co-redeemer" or a "mediator between God and men." nor that your priests are "another Christ," nor that you require Jesus to come down from heaven and be served up on an altar and ingested as morning brioche rather than spiritually discerning the mind of Christ within you by the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Amen. Welcome home.
Kind of like a Papal Encyclical?
That being the case, if a man believes a lie, then that man's faith in that lie is not the faith of Scripture, but a man-made invention meant to lead him away from the truth.
And the "1.2 billion" figure for the number of Roman Catholics world-wide is equally bogus since Rome counts among its membership all those who were once baptized RC but have later left that church for another one.
According to Rome, my husband is among those "1.2 billion."
And I assure you, he is not.
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Really?!
So, when our Lord was Resurrected He was given a "new body"? What happened to His original body?
When He visited the Disciples that night and they recognized Him and later when Saint Thomas put his fingers in the wounds was this a "new body"? If so, why did this "new body" have the same wounds?
One of these days you REALLY need to tell us what group it is you belong to, because I would love to know where you are learning this stuff.
Whadda ya mean perhaps???
MB:Jesus was bioengineered by UFOs? I can see why you often side with anti Christians on many of these threads.
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Did you actually READ what the comment said? Or is this just another knee jerk reaction to something Quix posted to try to discredit him?
Read it for yourself and parse the sentence. Quix says that he believes that they (UFOs/ETs) are part and parcel of the Biblical End Times ... bioengineering all the religious greats of history...including Jesus.
This is not just anti Christian. It goes further than that. I do nothing to discredit Quix. All he does, he does himself.
Thanks, but if you think I’m putting on my computer something from you, you’re mistaken.
I’m not doing his homework for him. If he says someone disagrees with something, it’s up to him to say why. It’s his responsibility to tell us what he’s talking about.
Until he can articulate what the debate is about, he’s just cutting-and-pasting reviews of some book he hasn’t read and doesn’t have a clue as to what it says.
Hi DR.
I keep checking this thread and still see some here simply messing with peoples heads....makes one wonder what kind of games are in play and with what purpose.....Making comments and assesssments which just are not true to entertain themselves.
Later...will check again...
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