Obviously, as does every Christian. Yet some folks even here on FR believe as Cartman does...
Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Yes, Jesus loves you and His Blood saves you. God bless and accept Jesus as your personal Savior.
Why doesn't the Catholic church serve BOTH elements of communion to its adherents as Christ did with His disciples and commanded us to take both the bread and the cup?
Tonight, and at my parish's three per day (except Saturday when there's only one) weekday Masses the chalice is ALWAYS offered, unless there's a 'flu going around or something. It is offered on Sundays also.
Consequently the implied assertion that the Catholic Church does not offer "BOTH elements of communion" is false. It is so interesting to BE a Catholic, to pray to worship, to contemplate (not nearly enough) to study, and to teach as a Catholic, and then to come here and read posts which SAy they are about me but which make almost no contact with my thought, belief, or experience.
So the charge of disobedience is also false.
A little introduction to the teaching of transubstantiation was given to you earlier and you acknowledged it. IF you had understood it, you would also understand that the senses of sight, taste, smell, and touch would give NO evidence that the Precious Blood was anything other than wine.
If you had been catechized at all well, you would know that. It's a main feature of Aquinas's Corpus Christi hymns.
If your catechesis was as good as you say, you will be able to translate this:
Verbum caro, panem verumFurther, the explanation for the thinking about the legitimacy of communion in one kind has also been posted more than once. Of course, not everyone agrees. But you asked "why," and that question has been answered.
verbo carnem efficit:
fitque sanguis Christi merum,
et si sensus deficit,
ad firmandum cor sincerum
sola fides sufficit.
Tantum ergo Sacramentum
veneremur cernui:
et antiquum documentum
novo cedat ritui:
praestet fides supplementum sensuum defectui.
This leads me to wonder why you ask it again.
Obviously, as does every Christian. Yet some folks even here on FR believe as Cartman does...
With appropriate affection for my friend Cronos, I have to say that I think your objection is legitimate.
For an answer to the first question: Look at the diagram.
For a partial answer to the second, I don’t think the “Athanasian Symbol” says anything about understanding.
Asked and answered, more than once.
Involuntary ignorance is no sin. Clinging to ignorance is a sin.
It would be good for all the non Catholics on this thread to make a public confession of their beliefs and if warranted perhaps make a disclaimer of faking Christianity.
What say you? If you wish to apologize for past atrocities I will be forgiving.
Accept Jesus as your personal Savior.
(a) I'm guessing after Vatican II
(b) Many centuries. I can assure you the logistics of offering the chalice are challenging, and I would never insist that anyone partake. For example someone with celiac disease can refuse the bread, and someone who is uncomfortable with drinking out of the same cup as others or someone who is an alcoholic can certainly not drink from the cup.
Would you insist that someone with celiac disease partake of the 'bread"? Why?
Well, Catholics claim that you have to eat the real flesh and drink the real blood of Christ.
They also claim that He did so and His disciples did so at the Last Supper.
They claim that He turned the wine and bread into actual flesh and blood.
At the very least, one would expect what the priest serves the parishioners would be literal, real flesh and blood.
Looking like it would be a start.
False, IMHO.
The entire Christ (the current phrase is, "body, blood, soul and divinity") is in both elements.
...just finishing the content of your post...always best to give it all within the whole context....
Of course with the idea...as it is written further....”Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs, If you do they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.”
There...now it's complete.
False, IMHO.
The entire Christ (the current phrase is, "body, blood, soul and divinity") is in both elements.
Thank you Quix...
And bless you for that. And bless God who gives you that restraint. His mercies endure forever. (oops, vain repetition again, darn!)
Hardly. You've reveled your bias quite clearly in the rest of your screed in this post.
I would serve as a Christian Charon ferrying the spiritually dead back to a rejuvenation in Jesus. This task would be a momentous one and so I would need to enlist the aid of other Christians . Any suggestions.
Aliens use false pregnancies, have sex with humans, commit scam baby abductions - and that's just in the first 90 seconds.
So glad you are reading God’s Holy Word. Now focus on living this Word in your daily life. Jesus said Mt 7 :21 so remember one must not merely pay lip service to Jesus but allow Him into our daily existence. A small step but an important one . God bless
I prefer this one....”Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil,.....because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.”
........”Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what He approves.” Rom 14
Seriously
First of all, there are a lot of crappy Catholics. Should we kick them out? We trust that God will heal and correct in His own time.
Some of these crappy Catholics, and some not so crappy, are police, other emergency folks, shift workers, older folks, sick folks.
The way Catholic "law" works is unfamiliar to us in the tradition of English Common law. In the Catholic Church, the law represents an idea, the fullness of a precept. Then exceptions, by case or by class of problem, are admitted. (That's a VERY loose and imprecise explanation, which tracks my meagre understanding, I fear.)
We KNOW that when the exceptions are granted, some will abuse them. That's pretty much between them and God.
We keep saying that the "ideal" Lord's Day will have no "servile labor." Like all Major Holidays, Sunday, which is in the highest ranking of holidays we have, SHOULD be observed with piety, freedom, leisure, joy.
But we will not insist that someone lose his job to keep the Lord's day. We might urge him to find a better job.
As I say, every such indulgence (in the colloquial sense ;-) ) is abused. But we are patient.
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