Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
It wasn’t being done in the parish I attended 30 years ago, although that probably has changed now.
Always? This is a very long thread, you're late to the party. The discussion of guidelines was brought up last night and the moderator engaged in it, proposed changes for consideration and discussion. That discussion has become part of this thread.
The other discussions are still ongoing if you would like to participate in them instead of this one.
Thanks for your comments.
No, I don’t deny the Trinity nor the divinity of Christ.
But that doesn’t really answer the questions.
Don’t forget this verse....
Ephesians 4:30
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Sounds pretty secure to me.
Well you believe in one but not the other, I believe in both, most people don't believe in either. What I mean by transubstantiation is comparable to what I mean by being born again, afterwards both the Bread and the person look like they did before even though they are changed. Therefore they are comparable, see, I just made the comparison.
Please let us know how we Catholics may achieve more substance. It seems nearly impossible to me.
Good answer. That answers all the questions at once.
Individuals may vary, but there is one Catechism.
A dodge.
Nope. The bishop of a diocese could not excommunicate if there was not one set of rules.
Didn't think I addressed all Catholics.
As always. Not a problem at all. :-)
There are one or two differences between transubstantiation and being “born again.”
When one is born again, one is still oneself, and retains one’s identity. One becomes a “new creation,” but Legatus is still Legatus and sitetest is still sitetest.
When the sacrament is confected, the elements of bread and wine cease to exist. What is on the altar is now the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ. Only the accidents (the appearances, not the reality of the thing) remain bread and wine. Thus, bread is no longer bread and wine is no longer wine.
There is certainly an analogy here, but it's not quite the same.
sitetest
The comparison is in the word “transubstantiate” . If you understand what is meant by “substance” in this usage, it means it can change or transform without anything detectible by the senses.
Only a very diehard materialist would argue otherwise.
Yes, the Holy Eucharist is a great change is substance - a supernatural event. However I cannot imagine a religion in an sense of the word that does not believe in something supernatural.
I agree. Many appear to have abandoned this forum and even this site. I find it to be most distressing.
Thomas was not condemned by Jesus Himself for that, but rather Jesus offered Thomas the chance to do so.
Jesus offered many convincing proofs that He was raised from the dead.
Acts 1:3 After his suffering, he showed himself to these men and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God.
No. We’re just looking for evidence that the wafer is human flesh and blood, as claimed.
Assuming you followed the recent posts on transubstantiation, what evidence would you expect and accept?
Very well. Please tell me how as a Catholic I can achieve more substance on this forum.
Please notice I wrote “I repeat, in a VERY loose sense.” I don’t want anyone getting the idea my Eucharistic theology is unsound.
Oh wait! If there are only Catholics on this thread who believe in the Divinity of Jesus , the Bible and the white hankies then why would the unwashed care if the rapture and Antichrist come to enslave them?
Will the rapture come with its own rap music and proper rappers to usher us all to heaven?
What needs to happen in the spirit of truthful advertising is for all the unwashed non-catholics to categorically state what they do or do not believe in the spiritual realm We need a scorecard of every-ones beliefs since this is becoming confusing.
God bless us all
Yes, I think that is the real loss.
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