Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Were you somehow able to travel through time to the Galilee 2,000 years ago and actually encounter Christ would any of your forensic tools be able to differentiate Him from any other human of the time? Would that diminish or disprove His divine nature?
The pastor sleeps in on Saturday...I have to wait til Sunday...
OK, I'll admit I was bluffing as were the other two parties involved. :-)
That is ridicule, from the Catholic perspective it's ridicule of Jesus. But not from the non-Catholic side.
A guideline against ridicule would be difficult to enforce and in some cases I can see it being abused.
I say it comes down to moderator judgement because it's more the totality of behaviour than stepping over a guideline.
As I said previously: Fanning the flames, intentional provocation, finding the most offensive ways to communicate a point.. over and over, without much attempt at discussion, is what I would flag as inflammatory. It may or may not include ridicule.
And, these are open threads, not protected for thin-skins. I think passionate belief is fine, however we can disagree without being disagreeable. But that's a difficult criteria to enforce.
If I were king (moderator), I would look at the thread as a whole and if a poster main efforts seemed to be to fan the flames and disrupt discussion, no matter how passionate, that poster would be the problem.
I remember in high school, there were usually provocateurs who would goad others into fighting someone else - "let's you and him fight" is the way we put it. They were cowards of course. But on the internet you don't have to worry about getting beat up so you can provoke without fear. But if the only intent is to provoke, fan flames, offend, ridicule, rather than discuss or debate...
That's the kind of thing I would remove from RF.
Interesting the RCs don’t tell you that many of them go to mass Saturday night so they dont have to get up Sunday morning. I wonder do they then keep all day Saturday as the Sabbath, or do they go to Walmart and mow the lawn etc. then what about Sunday? How do they keep that as the Sabbath since they went to mass Sat nite?
If your old truck was transubstantiated into a Cadillac Escalade it would continue to perform like an old truck though. In a very loose sense it’s like being born again, there’s no physical change in the person but there is a very real change. I repeat, in a VERY loose sense.
or maybe they keep a kind of Jewish/Catholic Sabbath, from sundown Sat to sundown Sunday?
Hmmmmmm....
You up for some Texas Holdem?
There you go...
Did you?
The Sabbath is considered lasting from sundown Saturday until sundown Sunday.
I didn't need to.
Excellent points...I went past a Catholic church last Saturday night about midnight or so...Parking lot was loaded...
Don’t know if they were making the necessary stop on the way home from the bar, or if they were trying to get a quick blessing before last call at the roadhouse just down the street...
“That is ridicule, from the Catholic perspective it's ridicule of Jesus. But not from the non-Catholic side.”
From the non-Catholic side, it's still ridicule. It's ridicule of what Catholics hold sacred.
One doesn't have to believe what we believe to understand what we believe and thus to understand that it is ridicule of what we believe. I'm quite sure that all but the most stupid people understand that the example I gave was ridicule of what Catholics hold sacred.
I could certainly understand it when drstevej would ridicule the things that LDS hold sacred, even though I don't believe what the LDS believe. And it was offensive, immoral and indecent. It was a disgrace to this website.
It comes down to basic human decency, a quality of which most of the active non-Catholic posters here on FR in the Religion Forum have none.
There are many more non-Catholic posters here at FR, actual decent people, but the bad posting has driven out the good. So, many of them don't show up on a lot of open sewage threads.
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Of course it would...Just like eating a cracker would perform like an eaten cracker...
And transubstantiating a truck or a cracker is by no means comparable to being 'born again'...
Well, they do claim they are the modern Israel...
Instead of always obsessing with the process lets have some substance occasionally. thanx
The change in “substance” can be explained to non-Catholics in this way:
You were a substantially different person before than after you were born again. I think you would agree that in a large and real sense ‘you are not the same person’ as before you were saved. You are changed.
Yet, if there were a full medical laboratory available at that instance of change, none of their instruments, no examination of your organs, cells, molecules or atoms, could detect that change.
What those instruments can see and detect, we call “accidents,” what changed in you, we call “substance.”
I had heard that to be the case but the only RCC services I’ve been to in recent years are funerals for family and I did not have the presence of mind at the time to notice or care much about whether communion was served and how.
Do you not believe in demons?
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