Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Oh, is that why he specified how the Ark of Covenant was to be built?
Where does it say that?
I’d rather meet God in an outhouse than meet the devil in a mansion
That is one interpretation of that verse, but again, why would God care about how the Ark of the Covenant was to be built?
They will indeed be tapped when the time comes...if for no other reason than their revenues. Some have indicated there will be a cold but effective merge with the ME faith...as is currently occurring with many mainline religions..and we see the resistance in our country. I'm not sure people will be able to resist enough to prevent these merges from occurring. The powers that be have already factored in the fallout of membership's when they attempt to bring it all on the same page.......
I think we may see the beginnings but the actual uniting of world powers and the leaderships of are yet further down the road some. But it's interesting to watch all the chess pieces moving. Sadly there is also a sifting happening within the body of Christ these days..and needful it be so...still the church is not as it should be and we have all suffered for that.
Amen that. And thank the Lord those are not the only two choices.
If there’s any truth to that in your personal experience, Praise God.
Mostly, I can’t buy it, at all.
I just have a policy of GENERALLY avoiding arguing with folks about their personal experiences. They are the best experts on that, ALMOST regardless.
ON THE WHOLE, I see abundant evidence quite the contrary for a frightful percentage of RC’s.
And, even ASSUMING what you say is true, it seems like a HUGE DETOUR AND BASS ACKWARDS WAY OF GETTING TO JESUS.
INDEED.
I can’t remember the FOURSQUARE fellow in Eugene OR who pioneered taking over abandoned warehouses for churches. I was initially taken aback.
However, the emphasis was on WORSHIPPING GOD AND PUTTING THE MONEY INTO HELPING THE POOR AND INTO MISSIONARY WORK.
HARD TO ARGUE WITH EITHER.
here it is Pyro.....”He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to Him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire Him.” Is 53:2
When? Please give specific time periods and not generalizations.
Rome has held temporal power, more or less for over 1100 years.
The papacy held considerable temporal pattern in western Europe for a several decades in the 12th and 13th centuries. Various popes may have tried to get it back after that, but they were unsuccessful (except at times within limited areas of Italy). Perhaps you should go back and read what you posted in 2307.
I am certain it longs for the glory days when it exercised its will by force.
And what makes you certain of this? And what is this "force" that you speak of? Various popes may have been able to command troops in parts of Italy, but that was about it. If the papacy truly had all the temporal power and access to force that you speak of WHY was the Orthodox Church able to leave in the 11th Century? WHY were popes PRISONERS of the kings of France for nearly a century? WHY were huge portions of Europe allowed to become Protestant a few hundred years later? Some of these claims really come across as comical in light of actually happened, it's a lot like listening to the left talk about Republicans.
Once everything else is stripped away, the Church is made up of people just like any other institution. What makes you think that modern popes want to live as popes did eight centuries ago?
Your statement is as absurd as me saying that Calvinists long for the day when they could burn heretics at the stake or soldiers long for the day when they could pillage cities and rape women. Anyone who believes these things is a fool.
I agree with Quix’s post and I’ll add adding restrictions on an open thread, IMHO, is playing into the left’s agenda of PC.
PC. Where the truth cannot be spoken and everyone must fall into alignment. Conservatism has no place for PC.
If one is thin skin and need restrictions/protection, they aren’t ready for battle. They have no place here, IMHO. There are caucus threads that would suit them better.
THANKS. MUCH AGREE.
ABSOLUTELY FOR SURE!
Some people have too much time on their hands and have nothing better to do than cut and paste trash.
Jesus.....
loves me.... this I know..... because the bible ....... tells me so.
And then he left
He did indeed. ;)
MORE THAN PLAUSIBLE TO ME.
That was speaking of His Passion. Of course, a person who was beaten to a pulp and was crowned with thorns is not going to look attractive.
I agree.
I hate to think that the discussion is being manipulated or controlled by the thin skinned so that too much is disallowed under the guise of accusing someone of finessing the RF rules. There's hardly a way of disagreeing on a religious issue without someone complaining that someone else is calling them a liar.
If someone posts something that is not correct, a better response would be "No, that's wrong." Accusing someone of being a liar does involve presuming that you know the intent was to deceive, as opposed to not knowing the facts or being misinformed.
I would add, too, that if someone tells you that you are wrong, it would be courteous at least to correct the error instead of sending people off on wild goose chases to find the *truth* themselves. If someone knows that something is wrong, it behooves THEM to correct the person themselves and provide the evidence to back themselves up. A flat out assertion that someone is wrong with no correction with information is a waste of time. It's not going to convince anyone.
There are caucus threads that would suit them better.
I kind of thought that's what the different thread designations were for anyway.
Wag: To tell you the truth, I don't really know. The pictures I posted were not of a Catholic church, in fact they were of a Protestant church.
So I guess you made the point that RC's aren't alone in building expansive, ornate churches with all kinds of things that Evangelicals think shouldn't be there. Touche' for you.
I guess this is like the persecution of Christians thing, "you did it to, so I'm not as bad".
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