Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[D-fendr]

WEASEL WORDS

Thanks for proving the validity of maryz's posts and the invalidity of your comments and claims.

[D-fendr]

DEPENDS ON how one construes such phrases and realities.

In reality, "We" means "we": referring to the speaker and other people considered together. and "I DON’T EVEN KNOW EXACTLY AND PRECISELY WHO I SPECIFICALLY SPEAK FOR WHEN I USE THAT PHRASE" means you don't know what or who you mean when you use the phrase "we proddys."

Thus, in reality your use of such phrases is devoid of content or meaning.

[D-fendr]

I think I’ve had enough following your train of non-meaning for tonight.

I look forward to your comments on Roamer_1’s charge that you don’t keep God’s commandment by keeping the Lord’s Day - assuming you do. And, whether you still wish to include him in “we proddy” as you seemed to in your post to him, though you don’t know what you mean when you say...

yada, yada, yada...

[Quix]

ENJOY YOUR FANTASIES.

[Cronos]

Interesting —> do you, Quix, consider Old Reggie, or any other Unitarian, a “Proddy”?

[Cronos]

“Not where we Proddys are coming from at all.
“ —> and yet, many Protestants DO believe in that philosophy. Yet you seem to sy you speak for all “Proddys” —> unless by “Proddy” you do not mean “Protestant”, do you?

[Cronos]

For QUix's ease, instead of going back through posts:

Roamer_1 said said in #2092

Look up the Sabbath Day,

then d-fendr in 2102

Sunday isn't just for Catholics.

to which you replied in 2106

Nothing in the Bible changes the Sabbath Day

which is wrong -- as d-fendr pointed out Christian celebrate the Lord’s Day, the New Creation, on Sunday, as they have since Acts
And of coure in 2112 you insisted in typical anti-Church fashion

No, there is nothing in the Bible that changes the Sabbath

D-fendr in 2115 tried to repeat Christians, Protestant and Catholic, celebrate the Lord's Day on Sunday.

[metmom]

Why do Presbyterians support the neo-Islamic theology of calvin. Do they also support the mosque at ground zero to promulgate this message of the prophet??

I don't see the Presbyterians claiming that they and muslims worship the same god.

[Cronos]

Then why do we see them saying that the Protestants didn’t go far enough? Was it not good enough being the second generation of Protestants (after Lutherans) and persecuting the third generation (Anabaptists) and fourth (Unitarians)?

[Lera]

Look up the Sabbath Day, and the bit about graven images... and that’s just in the “Big 10.”

Rome does not keep the commandments of Yahweh.

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That’s so true.
They were the ones who decided to change them too

I have not found not one scripture in the New Testament that says to change the day of worship/rest , not one .

[Iscool]

So now Iscool is the arbitrator to decide whether a person accepted Christ or not and even if they do, according to you, do you then judge that they will go to hell as long as they don't join you in your thinking?

I go by the testimony of your mother T...

But supposing there were other Catholics there witnessing to these destitute people while mother T comforted them...And mother T left it to them to spread the word of Jesus...Which of course mother T never mentioned so it's pretty unlikely...

But no matter...Those poor folks were condemned anyway...They would have been splashed with some water and falsely told they were now Christians...

[caww]

are the Protestants following the Church

"To his own master he stands or falls, and he will stand for the Lord is able to make him stand,..... One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike...... Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind."......... "so whatever you believe about these things keep between your self and God, blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves"....(Rom 14:4,5,22)

Fellowship among Christians is not based on every ones agreement on disputable questions. Christians do not have to agree on all matters pertaining to Christian life, nor do they need to. God is master and to Him alone all believers are responsible...... All days are to be dedicated to God. The important thing is ones relationship to the Lord. (exerts NIV.)

[Iscool]

Christians, Protestant and Catholic, celebrate the Lord's Day on Sunday. It seems to me Protestants would rather shoot their dog than follow Catholics if it "ain't in Scripture."

You are completely wrong, of course...There are plenty of things not in the scriptures that we embrace...

But when it comes to following a religion that is condemned by scripture, and has traditions that contradict scripture as does your religion, I'd not only kill my dog before I accepted it, I'd serve him up as a canine casserole...

[caww]

" you mean something like the obsession that keeps the anti-Catholics always at the Catholic Church"

Of course not...I would hope catholic christians keep going to church to hear the message Christ has for them and to worship and lift His name high above all others, for surely He is deserving of such.

" those who object to Catholics' veneration of Mary see it that way because their own worship of God -- indeed their very understanding of God -- is so stunted, so truncated, so limited"

Our objection to catholics veneration of Mary has nothing whatsoever to do with our own worship of Christ... Indeed. Rather,.. that we recognize Gods elevation of His Son above all others, including Mary, and do not place Mary as co-redeemer with Christ as catholics do, which she is not.

It certainly is evident catholics believe in the position they have elevated her to, and worship her because of that elevated position, just as these catholic articles and references on this thread attest to. I disagree with that obsession and worship of Mary, and how she is elevated above Christ and equal to Him.

Mary did not die for the sins of mankind...she was not crucified...nor was she raised from the dead in bodily form...and she certainly is not the hand that moves in our life today...Christ did and is sovereign above all in Heaven and on earth... and therefore I stand with God that it is His Son we are to worship...and Him alone.

[Lera]

Do the Proddys you speak for know the difference between an icon and an idol? Between worship and veneration?

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The difference between latria , dulia, & hyperdulia at the bottom of this post.

What’s the difference between a bow and a little bow ?
What’s the difference between paying homage and paying a little homage.
What’s the difference between stealing a candy bar at the grocery store and stealing a truckload of candy bars .

Lev 26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

Cut and pasted from the Catholic Encyclopedia .

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15710a.htm

There are several degrees of this worship:

* if it is addressed directly to God, it is superior, absolute, supreme worship, or worship of adoration, or, according to the consecrated theological term, a worship of latria. This sovereign worship is due to God alone; addressed to a creature it would become idolatry.
* When worship is addressed only indirectly to God, that is, when its object is the veneration of martyrs, of angels, or of saints, it is a subordinate worship dependent on the first, and relative, in so far as it honours the creatures of God for their peculiar relations with Him; it is designated by theologians as the worship of dulia, a term denoting servitude, and implying, when used to signify our worship of distinguished servants of God, that their service to Him is their title to our veneration (cf. Chollet, loc. cit., col. 2407, and Bouquillon, Tractatus de virtute religionis, I, Bruges, 1880, 22 sq.).
* As the Blessed Virgin has a separate and absolutely supereminent rank among the saints, the worship paid to her is called hyperdulia (for the meaning and history of these terms see Suicer, Thesaurus ecclesiasticus, 1728).

[bronx2]

In condemning Mary to hell you just highlighted one of the downfalls of protestantism ;Each one their own God. Diversity of opinion is endless and so the fracturing process is the protestant's perpetual curse.

Consigning people to hell is the domain of God with the protestants acting as consultants is the implication of your aforementioned post . Where is this in the bible? Oh wait, you can provide a verse out of context and provide a private interpretation to validate you contention.

You should indicate all you think are saved and those who who damned. Remember the door is narrow. A self examination of conscience apparently doesn't work so why not try public confession.

God bless.

[Iscool]

However as often as I have been "bathed in the Spirit" as obvious to me that some of my understanding of the Word has come directly from the Spirit, I could never claim to be a prophet, as I never heard the Lord speak to me other than by the ears of the heart.

That's pretty un-Catholic of you...Oh, unless you are of the clergy upper class...I understand the Catholic clergy can be led by the Holy Spirit...

The problem as I see it is, if you were being led by the Holy Spirit, you wouldn't be Catholic...But I'd be curious as to what exactly it was that the Holy Spirit revealed to you...

[bkaycee]

Great going! It isn't God who directed this level to go down to Scientology and Mormonism.

WHy do you think your list of heretics, that DENY Sola Scriptura should be connected with Those who believe in the bible alone?

I would think that there is a closer connection with Rome in that they all require some form of "Tradition" to interpret the scripture.

I chuckled a bit after seeing the assertion that these 3 were supposedly connected.

Mormons: Founder Joe Smith a treasure seeker in PA found huge glasses that could read his tablets, written in reformed hierogliphics, offcourse upon examination in court, experts testify that "scribbles" were not a language and there is no such thing as reformed egyptian. Believes in polytheism.

Scientology: Basically the comic book stories of Elron Hubard sold as reality. Not sure he even believes in a deity.

Jehovah's witnesses. Arianism with a make over, brought to us by Charles taze Russel who used to sell "miracle wheat" to his dupes.

[bronx2]

You have just highlighted the “Curse of protestantism”; It is continuously fracturing at breath neck speed. Now well over 30,000 discrete entities and growing. The house churches are not able to form cohesive units since all can exercise their prideful and sinful interpretations. The Holy Spirit must be perplexed in determining those in who He will indwell.

God bless.

[caww]

A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring.

"Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of which is falsely called knowlege, which some have professed and in doing so have wandered from the faith" (ITim 6:20,21)