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To: maryz
" you mean something like the obsession that keeps the anti-Catholics always at the Catholic Church"

Of course not...I would hope catholic christians keep going to church to hear the message Christ has for them and to worship and lift His name high above all others, for surely He is deserving of such.

" those who object to Catholics' veneration of Mary see it that way because their own worship of God -- indeed their very understanding of God -- is so stunted, so truncated, so limited"

Our objection to catholics veneration of Mary has nothing whatsoever to do with our own worship of Christ... Indeed. Rather,.. that we recognize Gods elevation of His Son above all others, including Mary, and do not place Mary as co-redeemer with Christ as catholics do, which she is not.

It certainly is evident catholics believe in the position they have elevated her to, and worship her because of that elevated position, just as these catholic articles and references on this thread attest to. I disagree with that obsession and worship of Mary, and how she is elevated above Christ and equal to Him.

Mary did not die for the sins of mankind...she was not crucified...nor was she raised from the dead in bodily form...and she certainly is not the hand that moves in our life today...Christ did and is sovereign above all in Heaven and on earth... and therefore I stand with God that it is His Son we are to worship...and Him alone.

2,194 posted on 09/08/2010 7:25:42 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww; maryz; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; narses; annalex; Campion; don-o; Mrs. Don-o; ...
Mary did not die for the sins of mankind...

Show me where the Catholic Church has EVER suggested she was.

she was not crucified...

Show me where the Catholic Church has EVER suggested she was.

nor was she raised from the dead in bodily form...

Show me where the Catholic Church has EVER suggested she was.

and she certainly is not the hand that moves in our life today...

Show me where the Catholic Church has EVER suggested she was.

Christ did and is sovereign above all in Heaven and on earth...

Show me where the Catholic Church has EVER suggested otherwise.

Christ did and is sovereign above all in Heaven and on earth... and therefore I stand with God that it is His Son we are to worship...and Him alone.

Show me where the Catholic Church has EVER suggested otherwise.

(And just so we're clear, when I ask you to show me where the Catholic Church has said something, that's exactly what I mean. Solid documentation, not some garbage you read in a comic book.)

I find it INCREDIBLY IRONIC that some anti-Catholics are going to such great lengths to agree with this threads premise, namely that the Catholic Church is seeking some sort of dictatorial powers. This thread was posted by Hank Kerchief, whose real name is Reginald Firehammer (the author of this piece) -- Hank Kerchief was zotted last week for being a TROLL. Hank Kerchief doesn't just hate the Catholic Church, he hates ALL CHRISTIANS -- this piece simply follows the leftist template of opposing orthodox Christianity and the template is to attack Catholicism the hardest and the most often. The left doesn't attack Catholicism because it hates Catholicism more or differently than it hates other orthodox Christians, the left attacks Catholicism because they believe that if they destroy the Catholic Church that all other Christians will just give up. Those Christians who support the left in this endeavor are no different from the isolationists of the late 1930s and early 1940s who said, "As long as Hitler leaves us alone, he can do whatever he wants, let's just stay out of the war."

2,201 posted on 09/08/2010 7:48:42 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: caww
and how she is elevated above Christ and equal to Him.

My point was exactly that you don't elevate Christ nearly high enough! Few if any of the non-Catholics here seem to have any appreciation of the sheer wonder of the Divinity of Christ (even those who say they accept it). Maybe they just don't express themselves well, but they seem to have an extraordinarily limited concept of God at all -- they seem to see Him plodding along with the rest of us, bound by time (though they generously grant that He can see the future).

It's like someone locked in a room whose only concept of elevation is a ladder and no inkling of mountains and valleys and foothills!

2,206 posted on 09/08/2010 8:05:40 AM PDT by maryz
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To: caww

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!


2,214 posted on 09/08/2010 8:19:15 AM PDT by Quix (C Bosses plans: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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