Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
> “Nothing unclean will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Therefore the sanctification will occur after the Second Judgement and before you get past St. Peter.”
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First, nobody has to “get past” Peter; he has nothing to do with anything.
Second our sanctification has already happened, according to God’s word.
Act 20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
Act 26:18 To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Rom 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
And finally, the most explicit statement:
1Cr 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Its done Mark. - There is no Purgatory, we have the blood of Christ that paid it all.
I suggest that you re-read 1Corinthians a few times until the order of things sinks in.
We do not pay for anything; please do not attempt to take credit for the Lord’s work. The wages of sin is death, so we cannot afford to pay for even one sin. We have no righteousness but that of Christ, so the only good works that we can do are as a result of and the evidence of our salvation, not payment on any account.
I hope the RM got this... because that was so far over the top that it belonged on The View.
Funny, the elect keep saying how they are the “ELECT” and the rest of us are just the rest of us. Mark’s version was more accurate.
> “ but since then much older manuscripts have been found.”
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More than 90% of which are in full affirmation of the received texts, and refutation of many of the corrupted portions of Sinaiticus and Vaticannus.
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This "self-declared salvation cesspool" that you think we wallow in is an illusion and I sincerely pray you will one day be able to see beyond it. To say that I have assurance of my salvation is NOT in any way boasting of my goodness or merit because it IS NOT BASED ON MY MERIT OR GOODNESS. For goodness sake, I wish you could see that!
To say I am saved is to rest in the mercy of God that you so earnestly pray for over and over again. He HAS had mercy on us and proved it by sending Jesus to this world to die in our place. He died FOR us so that we can be made righteous in him. He offers us the gift of eternal life as a gift by grace we receive through faith. We don't earn or deserve a gift but accept it, receive it, take it.
I think the stumbling block here is somehow thinking by saying, "I am saved by grace" is to be presumptuous - but that would only be true if the presumption was on my own worthiness or sinlessness. It is not! It is resting in the promise of God that he has redeemed us by the blood of Christ. I fall solely on his mercy and forgiveness, I trust in his love, I rest only in his grace. That is all any of us can do and all he says we must do to be saved. Believe, trust, accept. The life we live after this is through faith and grace as well and good works are a sign that we have been renewed and reborn by his Spirit. No presumption at all - it is all by faith.
Thanks for the ping.
However, I think many RC’s are allergic to Scripture—at least at anything approaching the logical level of thought.
Pray do not.
Was that respons supposed to have some hint of unrubberized logic to it?
I think it missed the criteria.
I am not Calvinist in my way of thinking, but if you understood who the "elect" are from Scripture, you would also include yourself in the group. It is simply those who God knew before the world began - because he is all-knowing and beyond time - would accept the gift of eternal life and become his by-faith children. He predestined that all those who trusted in Jesus Christ would be sanctified, justified, glorified and conformed to the image of Christ. If you have trusted in Christ as your savior you are part of the elect - it's not a bad word, just the truth from God's word.
> “However, I think many RC’s are allergic to Scripture”
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Certainly they seem allergic to any portion of scripture that fails to lend itself to pagan purpose if sufficiently twisted.
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In addition to that they are asking for contributions from anyone in editing, proofreading and translating. What is also strange about this group is that they keep mentioning that they are writing for both Jews and Gentiles (!). That is just very "unJewish" to be perfectly blunt.
Bible interpretation and translation is a tricky, tainted business. Look at Psalm 19:7 It says that God's law (Torah) is perfect and can convert/restore the soul (and make man acceptable to God). Look at different Bible versions and how they translate the word shub.
Notice how the Protestant Bibles, YLT, NERS and NIV avoid the term convert, or restore or turn, but use refresh, or revive. It was recognized early on that Psalm 19:7 was a serious blow to Christian and even rabbinic beliefs in the coming of the messiah, which is nowhere to be found in the Torah, since all one needs to be "saved" is the God's perfect law to turn back form his evil ways, and Torah is capable of restoring a fallen human to his righteousness.
I don't know what machon memre's agenda is, or why they translate 'ahab as "friend" when it clearly corresponds to the Greek agape, but it is not without a precedent (Zech 13:6), although in the vast majority of cases it is translated as "lover" or "loved" in the agape sense, but also in the sensual sense.
It is difficult for me to imagine that a Jewish group would consider God their friend because it is uncharacteristic of anything written in the Old Testament. No one in the OT gets that close to God.
I have learned that translations follow doctrinal bias and that by itself makes every translation and interpretation corrupt, for none is perfect.
Catholics insist on ‘earning’ their salvation, and for that reason few of them will ever find it.
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Sure seems that way far toooo much for my comfort.
. First, nobody has to “get past” Peter; he has nothing to do with anything.
Izzat so? You disagree with Jesus?
Matthew 16:16 11 Simon Peter said in reply, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." 17 Jesus said to him in reply, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood 12 has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. 18 And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, 13 and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. 14 Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
St. Peter has the keys to Heaven, given to him by Jesus. You think that Jesus is lying here? Or don't the words of Jesus apply to you either?
Second our sanctification has already happened, according to God’s word.
Dueling verses? You don't like Jesus and John of Patmos and the Pauline verses I posted? You ignore them?
Acts 20:32 does not address salvation before the second Judgement. Ditto Acts 26:18
Romans 15: addresses the offering.
1 Corinthians 6: does touch on sanctification, but does not touch on future sins.
You are wrong again. You have not addressed my post, merely posted Pauline snippets versus Christ and Paul and John.
We do not pay for anything; please do not attempt to take credit for the Lord’s work. The wages of sin is death, so we cannot afford to pay for even one sin. We have no righteousness but that of Christ, so the only good works that we can do are as a result of and the evidence of our salvation, not payment on any account.
So? How does this negate Christianity as it goes back to the Apostles? Why are you the keeper of this novel doctrine, ignoring Christ?
26Such a high priest meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. 27Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 28For the law appoints as high priests men who are weak; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.
Hebrews 9:11When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation. 12He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption. 13The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!
24For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence. 25Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
Hebrews 10: 11Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. 13Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool, 14because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
Spot on, Mark. They criticize others for what what they practice.
Oy, you are funny today! LOL. You may wish to read what Jewish Encyclopedia has to say about Paul and his eduction.
Also, you don't carry scrolls (which are sacred), except in certain prescribed situations.
Where are you pulling this from?
Ephesians 4:30And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
It's not presumptuous to believe that if we're saved we stay saved buy God's grace and not through our own efforts. It's simply trusting God to do what He said He'd do.
If God didn't want us to be sure of our salvation, He wouldn't have told us we could be.
> “Look at Psalm 19:7 It says that God’s law (Torah) is perfect and can convert/restore the soul (and make man acceptable to God).”
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Not exactly.
Yes, the first clause affirms the perfection of Torah, but the second says that the testimony of the Lord is effective to make the stupid wise, not to save the soul.
buy God’s grace = by God’s grace
Sheesh, too tired......
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