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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: individualliberty
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To: Mad Dawg

MD, the unsaved do good works for men too.. but that does not make them saved


1,401 posted on 09/05/2010 12:40:46 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: 1000 silverlings
Man made religion. Man will make up traditions and rituals and ignore what God says. Bad stuff-- it leads to murder.

Exactly.

They who worship idols become like them.

1,402 posted on 09/05/2010 12:42:09 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg
Case in point, ask unsaved people if they believe they have a soul. they will say yes. Ask them if they believe in God-- some say yes, some say no. Invariably they will insist that they are good people, able to "do good" without God. Well that's not what Christ says.
1,403 posted on 09/05/2010 12:44:42 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Just because I wouldn’t want you to miss the truth...

Ditto:

Are we to understand that when Calvin wrote "sentence of death" he meant that Servetus was to be preached to death?

I hope that sentence of death will at least be passed on him; but I desired that the severity of the punishment be mitigated. "Calvin to William Farel, August 20, 1553, Bonnet, Jules (1820–1892) Letters of John Calvin, Carlisle, Penn: Banner of Truth Trust, 1980, pp. 158–159. ISBN 0-85151-323-9." Wikipedia entry on Michael Servetus

1,404 posted on 09/05/2010 12:46:04 PM PDT by Legatus (From the desire of being esteemed, Deliver me, Jesus.)
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To: metmom
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1:22
1,405 posted on 09/05/2010 12:46:13 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Legatus
Uh...

I hope that sentence of death will at least be passed on him; but I desired that the severity of the punishment be mitigated. "Calvin to William Farel, August 20, 1553, Bonnet, Jules (1820–1892) Letters of John Calvin, Carlisle, Penn: Banner of Truth Trust, 1980, pp. 158–159. ISBN 0-85151-323-9." Wikipedia entry on Michael Servetus

BRING OUT... THE COMFY CHAIR!

So it was "kill him, but do it gently"? Oh, well that's alright then, that changes everything.

The question was not Calvin's attitude, which I think was harsh and cruel, but was Did Calvin Have Servetus Burned At The Stake?
1,406 posted on 09/05/2010 12:48:22 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Well their idols are made in their own(mens) image in the first place. God gave revelation revealing Who He is— the Old Testament and the New Testament. Refusing to believe this revelation takes them off the cliff.


1,407 posted on 09/05/2010 12:48:28 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Legatus
Are we to understand that when Calvin wrote "sentence of death"

Calvin did not issue any "sentence of death" on Servetus.

In Geneva, there was a distinct separation of church and state. Calvin was a member of the church. The city council condemned Servetus.

As the New Jersey housewives would say, "Pay attention!"

1,408 posted on 09/05/2010 12:49:28 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"The difference between Rome and Calvin, of course, is that “punishment” according to Calvin meant a reprimand in the Sunday sermon whereas Rome’s “punishment” entails burning the heretic at the stake."

Sorry, I don't believe you.

1,409 posted on 09/05/2010 12:49:30 PM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"The difference between Rome and Calvin, of course, is that “punishment” according to Calvin meant a reprimand in the Sunday sermon whereas Rome’s “punishment” entails burning the heretic at the stake."

Sorry, I don't believe you.

1,410 posted on 09/05/2010 12:49:42 PM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: 1000 silverlings

lol. Head-first. 8~)


1,411 posted on 09/05/2010 12:50:10 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

That’s right, like Judas their bowels burst asunder and their cranium contents splatter on the rocks below.


1,412 posted on 09/05/2010 12:51:26 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Mad Dawg
To me, both of those propositions are nonsense, so Mother Teresa is right when she says of "virtuous" adherents of other religions "then there is something else growing there."

yea damnation

1,413 posted on 09/05/2010 12:52:41 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You left out the operative part of the sentence I wrote: “The reason the potato blight was a problem is that was all the people could grow in the poor soil they were allowed to farm for personal use.”

Fertile lands were used for crops sold abroad by the landlords. Ireland at the time had some of the richest land in the British Isles, it was a net exporter of food during the potato blight.

Snide comments at the end of posts only point to the snideness of the poster rather than any truthiness of the content.


1,414 posted on 09/05/2010 12:52:51 PM PDT by Legatus (From the desire of being esteemed, Deliver me, Jesus.)
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To: Natural Law; Dr. Eckleburg
Sorry, I don't believe you.
You show true wisdom.
1,415 posted on 09/05/2010 12:53:31 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: RnMomof7
For decades I thought something like:

A corrupt tree ( not attached to the vine can not do work that is pleasing to him, even if done in HIS name)

Now it's not so much that I don't think that as I think that it betrays the fundamental "What's in it for me?" attitude of some forms of Calvinism (and of some (most?) forms of Islam).

Good deeds are not enough to save someone, and good deeds done in order to 'earn' salvation are a waste of time.

But good deeds are good, whether or not they earn salvation, and it is good to do them.

But for some, if a Christian, in love for God, gave his or her life to do good deeds, those who profess NOT to care about works would criticize the person because they didn't make proselytes of the people to whom they ministered.

I am reminded again of the Seventh Day Adventist doctor when i was in the hospital for pericarditis my first year of seminary. He wasn't my doc, he had nothing to do with my case. But he heard a seminarian was in there.

My having had two spells of quite unbelievable pain, my being drugged up on drugs that made me a bit slow of thought and a lot labile of emotion, these made no difference to him. He was, by God gonna convert me.

Or the Calvinist-ish pastor in Columbus Mississippi who really saw no need for a church response to alcoholism because, "After all, they're going to hell anyway."

So good deeds are wasted unless they are aimed at somebody's salvation. What a tit-for-tat and ungenerous view of God!

1,416 posted on 09/05/2010 12:54:42 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Natural Law
I don't care that you don't believe me. It's to be expected.

"...what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?" -- 2 Corinthians 6:14

1,417 posted on 09/05/2010 12:54:46 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: narses

ping to 1,417.

Flee idolatry.


1,418 posted on 09/05/2010 12:55:43 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Flee heresy. Cultists fall for anything. Next you will embrace UFOlogy. Find Our Lord. Find Peace.


1,419 posted on 09/05/2010 12:56:47 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: OLD REGGIE

I NEED that T-shirt!


1,420 posted on 09/05/2010 12:57:53 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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