Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
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First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
hot, uh, hot.
Something tells me that the clown lutheran church is ELCA...
metmom: Chapter and verse please. Show us where Jesus commands us to isolate ourselves to worship.
What??? I thought Protestants read their Bible? You mean to tell me you don;t know the verse, never saw it in your life? Oh, wait, this is from the Gospels, Jesus speaking (remember him?), not Pauline Epistles, so no wonder...But I understand: if Paul or OT didn't say it, it doesn't count.
But since you asked...
I recently posted the PCUSA Synod opening , which was IMO demonic, on my face book page ..it was a mockery of the gospel
Churches or denominations that have abandoned the gospel in favor of works and a social gospel deserve no respect or to be in anyway associated with a gospel believing church..
The clowns you posted are ELCA , believers are leaving that denomination in droves as they have the PCUA ... what will be left is those that want their ears tickled, the saved will flee
See, you can find anything in the Bible, even vegetarians find verses to support their habit. :)
Evidently Jesus was contrasting the sincere prayers that should be offered with the hypocritical prayers of those who prayed to be seen. (Matt. chapter 6)
You missed the part where he says "go to your inner room [a closet, KJV; Greek tameion , a storage room, or a secret room] and close the door." You have to read the whole thing not just what your NIV (horrors!) Reformed Random verse Generator tells you. :)
LOL!
I googled "clown mass" and got seven hits, by the way. And all of them were Boston Catholic Journal pages decrying the practice of a clown mass, yet not identifying their pictures as such. The website I posted to you clearly identified the pictures as Lutheran, posted the church sign above the clown worship, and had an active discussion on the page clearly identifying the participants as Lutheran. Look at the pictures. That's not Catholic in terms of architecture, the visible portions of the church including the altar, or the vestments.
You are wrong again.
You guys invented it. Deal with it.
We invented Presbyterian clown ministries and clown worship? And the Presbyterians appear to have more clown ministries than anybody else. Why is this?
And again, for clarity’s sake, the Roman Catholic church is dwindling in the United States. Four times as many Roman Catholics leave Rome as those who join Rome.
Izzat so? Let us look further into the report and see that Catholics make up roughly 24% of the entire US population. With the current US population at roughly 330,000,000, this means that we have about 79 million Catholics currently in the US. Let us say, for argument's sake that the Catholic Church in the US is stable in population and neither grows nor shrinks. Let us do some calculations.
When the US population was 200 million, the Catholic percentage would have been 40%. When the US population was 150 million, the Catholic percentage would have been 53%. Dr E., are you trying to tell us that Catholics once formed a majority of the population in the US? Or are you being unclear and getting it wrong yet again?
All the data that I've seen has put the Catholic percentage of the total population at about the 24% level for many decades, and that means that as the country has grown in population, so has the Church, along with it.
The Church is not dwindling. Telephone booth cults are. With the demise of the Schullers, yet another corrupt and theologically dead Reformed pastor bites the dust...
Man up, Quix. The lady did, and I think that it is the best thing you can do.
OOOPS! You didn't ping me, Mark. And the other day you were sooo anxious about just that kind of slip-up.
To your point 1, you are correct and it was my error. To your point 2, I am not worried about slip ups - I was contending against your stated new practice of not notifying Catholics.
I just happen to think that most of the times you post to me, the most loving response, the best thing I can do is that I should reply with
REDEMPTIVE TRUTH.
Which, in this case is . . .
I have still not observed you apologize for this brazen untruth:
MarkBsnr:
“. . . and Quix’s outspoken
support for a hate document
that the original poster has apologized for.”
There’s nothing MORE “manly” for me to do regarding a false accusation!
It was a Lutheran worship service - I've already posted the particulars to you. You still not posted pictures of a Catholic clown mass, by the way. Is this merely sloppy or are you having troubles actually finding any?
I have not found a Catholic clown ministry, by the way - most of them are Presbyterian, a rather surprising percentage, given the shrinking Presbyterian population. Do you think that clown ministries are aiding retention and conversion to the Presbyterian church, or are they encouraging people to flee to the Christian Church. What do you think?
I know what the Greek word is and it really doesn’t translate well as “a dark corner”, does it?
As with so many statements that begin with “The Bible says...” even the most superficial examination reveals it really doesn’t, a private room is no “dark corner” and prayers elsewhere, by Jesus’ and the disciple’s example are quite proper.
“See, you can find anything in the Bible, even vegetarians find verses to support their habit. :)”
Like finding a right to abortion in the Constitution?
No, that was your slander.
Really? Let us examine this simple statement.
definitions.uslegal.com/s/slander tells us: Slander is the oral communication of false statements that are harmful to a person's reputation.
These posts are not oral. They are written. Fail
Presbyterians do not kneel at church and they do not kneel at home; you couldn't figure out a place where or when Presbyterians actually do kneel. Fail.
Let us say that we do prove that Presbyterians don't kneel at all. Will it harm the reputation of Dr. E. in any way on FR? I don't see how it possibly could. Fail.
Four short words. Three substantial failures. Tell you what, as the OPC runs out of people (good grief, you guys can't even baptise more than 1/4 of your congregants), we'll say some prayers to the saints for you. Okay?
Follow the rules.
Which rules?
I'm referring to the work of Steve Mason on Josephus.
he does not identify himself in any way as a Christian.
No, I didn't mean to infer that he did. Others have speculated, based on what he includes and excludes of Christianity that he was an Ebonite Christian. I don't endorse that view; I only use it to illustrate a wide range of views on Josephus's actual belief. He was, putting it mildly, often opportunistic and prone to please the powers he served. So we have the problem of his credibility. We can't take his histories as the gospel truth (pun intended).
Someone missed their history lessons.
Where were the Unitarians during the Roman Empire?
Some wish to claim membership in The Church of Those Who Never Did Anything Wrong.
I can understand the desire, but it doesn't exist. Those who cling to the idea are always of recently invented churches - claiming credit for tests they never too,.
Protestant not Catholic.
I identified by source links as the Westminster Presbyterian Church and Our Savior's Lutheran Church of Lansing, Iowa.
If they are heretics to you then that's just evidence of the other points concerning different Protestant churches.
Oh you know, the Arians, Nestorians, Marcionites, Paulicans and various other gnostic heretics.
The YOPIOS crowd seems to operate under the assumption that every sect that was ever declared heretical by the Catholic Church was really just a group of oppressed Protestants who just wanted to be left alone so they could practice YOPIOS. They seem incapable of understanding that these groups were actually misguided heretics and their heresy was almost always based in their denial of the Divinity of Jesus Christ or the Holy Trinity.
Sorry, typo. Should be:
Those who cling to the idea are always of recently invented churches - claiming credit for tests they never took.
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