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NL:
[ROMAN] Catholics
[note raised pinky finger above the teacup]
do not debate religion.
We speak from a position
of
.
it's shocking
how many of the
RC Rabid Clique folks
actually
BELIEVE
their own
Vatican Party Line
ARROGANTLY HOSTILE
drivel.
Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Chapter and verse please. Show us where Jesus commands us to isolate ourselves to worship.
Not this thread.... no.... 13K is long enough...
LOL! You certainly have a way with words! ;-)
Scripture is the final authority, not any church.
If you choose to place yourself under their usurping authority, that’s your business, but don’t expect or demand everyone else blindly follow you in your delusions or deceit.
INDEED.
I have a pretty authentic donkey bray . . . having grown up around a pretty good donkey. I’ve been known, even in restaurants . . . when someone says “Let us pray” to let forth. Some folks are quite discombooobalated. Most are amused.
Let's begin again. Shall we compare the two?
Iron sharpens Iron Quix.. We all share Christ ,,
Jesus and the disciples prayed in public on several occasions per John chapters 6, 11, 17 and Acts chapter 1.
Evidently Jesus was contrasting the sincere prayers that should be offered with the hypocritical prayers of those who prayed to be seen. (Matt. chapter 6)
Especially when he plagarizes the words of others.
Thanks for your kind reply.
At least some of us try hard! LOL.
By now you should have learned how to find the source of any photo posted.
Waste your own time.
FAR FAR TOO TRUE.
Jesus never commanded His followers to withdraw from society ..in fact just the opposite., we are to go out into the world ..to be IN the world but not of it .
That is why we know that monasteries are outside of the will of God.
They were started to remove themselves from the temptations of flesh, the temptations of the world ...and to spend all their time in meditation..
That is very different from the need to spend time alone with God in prayer
Matthew 6 is addressing the sin of pride and the way to pray ... .
Mat 6:1 ¶ Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
Mat 6:2 Therefore when thou doest [thine] alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
Mat 6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
Mat 6:5 ¶ And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Sorry, you get an incomplete on that assignment. The final authority is the Revealed Word of God, all 100% of it, not just the portion contained in Scripture.
LOL! That is funny!
Old picture of king James 1...
But, Reg, if you've followed this exchange I've had (against my better judgment and instincts) with NL that simple prescriptive lesson is not likely to be followed.
Why? Anyone can follow the posts and draw their own conclusions.
Anyway it's all about stone throwers in glass houses, eh?
Oh, yes, now it all makes sense. I believe I skipped school that day... :)
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