Sounds pretty much like one and the same thing...doesn't it?
Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Ridiculous!
According to your analogy you can't know what love is until you can read .
This leaves every child incapable of Love until they can read and comprehend. It also means the severely mentally retarded are not capable to love according to you
I'm outta here for the rest of the night!
The anti-Catholics just haven't found a better waste of time in the past few weeks.
Yeah and some even preach.
Go back and reread about your casual dismissal my of protests of the document as nonsense and then the escalation from there, if you are truly interested.
But I accept that in your mind, you are blameless, innocent and have done no wrong. It is entirely in character with the posting history that I have had the privilege of witnessing. So be it.
I gave you the answer you co-religionist demanded.
Sounds pretty much like one and the same thing...doesn't it?
I’m in the Houston area, pretty big area too.
Does it bother you that you are so easily identified and we seem so, mysterious? Funny, everything we believe is knowable. It's called The Bible. And NOTHING you believe is knowable. Without a cartload of doctrines, and traditions, and magisterium to tell you what you believe. And yet WE are called the mysterious unknowns.
Not really, children eventually grow out of it.
The recycling the straw-men and stupidiousness is getting old. None of them will ever convince me.
I spent several years church shopping. Being called back is being called back.
In the CCE class I teach I don’t waste my time telling the kids who to hate but telling them what they are called to be. But that’s just me.
Sounds pretty much like one and the same thing...doesn't it?
Sooooooooooooo
please tell us . . .
what convinces you
that I was chiding you about
your protests per se
vs
the OUTRAGEOUSLY . . . TONE of your protests?
For the record,
I think it’s quite reasonable to even mount a fairly intense protest over something viewed as fairly intensely wrong.
I did not believe and did not feel and do not believe and do not feel
that the tones of assault on RNMomOf7’s personhood and character were remotely fitting to the least degree.
I have still not observed you apologize for this brazen untruth:
MarkBsnr:
“. . . and Quix’s outspoken
support for a hate document
that the original poster has apologized for.”
Wait, I read you are a a self-professed agnostic, and now I see you aren’t ‘alone’ here but have taken sides w/The RCC.
That makes sense. Good you found a place to fit in.
You appear to once again be on another roll of insults and attacking others, which for whatever reason seems to get you really fired up...I never see more posts from you than when there is discord on the threads. Is that your forte? IS this something you frankly enjoy? You come across like the bully in a school yard...once the fight starts you jump on the pack.... Childish and immature in every way.
Excellent. Follow Rn mom's example and then we'll talk.
Evidently we share insufficient vocabulary to have a meaningful exchange.
Or else the reading comprehension on your end is much worse than I’d supposed.
Okay. I get it. I get it completely. I think I tried to convey this in a couple of posts so far and will try a third time. I understand and accept that this is how you feel and this is what you believe. Okay?
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