Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Yes it is. Thanks! Look for freepmail in about 2 minutes.
Okay, I’ll go. Roman Catholic. Church in the suburbs of Houston, TX. We have a fairly conservative parish.
We also have Life Chain this weekend. Too bad the Protestant churches can’t be bothered to join. There use to be a local minister that signed the pastoral letter, but his elders were afraid that the congregants would close their pocketbooks. There is a non-Denominational about 1.5 miles away who supports life and stands with us.
Many of the jokes write themselves, my friend... :)
This double standard of applying two sets of rules to people is not surprising from my real life experience with Catholics. They’re just great at excusing in themselves what they condemn in others.
That’s a pretty human trait.
However, many RC’s hereon and in daily life do seem to have a triple dose of it.
That’s the point, Mark. It WAS exposed. And we all acknowledge that it was a false oath. From what I’ve read, Quix has NOT had ‘outspoken support for a hate doctrine. He supported the poster, not the posted. Who is still posting it as truth? No one. Who continues to speak of it as if it were just posted and the ink is still wet? You. I do enjoy sparring with you over beliefs, but c’mon. No one left on this site believes that crap was true by now. Quit treating it as if villagers are gathered with torches and pitchforks, waiting to attack the KofC. You are a better person than that, wolverine friend.;)
Where is your apology? Rnmomof7 has graciously and honourably given hers.
That’s funny considering half of your congregation can go off and form their own church if they don’t agree with the rest of you. They can pick an choose all the while saying they are led by the Holy Spirit. One church may not ordain women and the other breaks off and allows it.
See post 12571, by 1000 Silverlings:
“by the way let’s have the Catholics here reveal which kinds of Catholic churches they frequent. Or is that just for Protestants?”
Ping to post.
looks like metmom commented on it already. Time after time Catholics insist we reveal what church we attend and then want the address, it’s creepy. But ask one of them which Catholic sect they frequent, and indignation is the result. Rules for thee, but not for me, what’s that in Latin?
you go first, lead the way
Who ever asked for an address? Link to post?
And no, I am not leading the way. According to metmom and the mods, that’s privileged information.
Denomination not specific church.
then quit asking for it from us
Evidently irrationally targeted vengeance is clouding simple reading comprehension.
To repeat.
1. I never supported the document. The only thing I said about the document was calling it false.
2. I always supported RnMomOf7 and still do. I have no apology for that whatsoever.
3. I prefer to follow Scripture and not keep a score of wrongs. However, perhaps your spiritual growth would be improved if I started keeping a record of the dozens of times you irrationally, unwarrantedly and very personally harshly attack me . . . without a hint of apology.
4. I don’t recall a single hint of a thing I need to apologize to you for.
5. There may be some rocks in some of your buckets that you could suck on while you wait for an apology that’s unwarrnated and not coming.
Oh give me a break. If I had seen an example of universal Christian charity out of either of you I might believe your pitch, but I recognize it an you for what you are.
Quix's charity was self-serving. Like your defense of Quix, he defended the posted because of anti-Catholic solidarity with the poster. None of you are that charitable with anyone outside of the cabal.
There was considerable back and forth, then some posts appeared which apparently showed a clown mass, but actually after a bunch of legwork by several of us, turned out to be a Lutheran clown worship service.
Just another in a long series of attacks and falsities. The KofC is secondary to all this, anyway. It is just another attack on the Church. But I take your meaning.
Thank you.
The children are coloring again.
A simple google search of *catholic clown mass* will take you to more hits than you’d believe.
This thread is a waste of time.
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