Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
Heh!
You would, if you understood it.
I'm not at all familiar with the document...I wouldn't know if it was fake or not...How do you know it's fake???
Two reasons: I am a Fourth Degree Knight of Columbus and have been through all the ceremonials. Numerous times, since I am the leader of the First Degree team for my Council. Also, it is well documented that it is completely fraudulent and intended to be hate speech.
When "Presbyterian Church clowns" is put in quotes, all of two links pop up, both of which seem to be obituaries/geneologies listing memberships -- "He was a member of the Second Presbyterian Church, Clowns of America and Circus Fans Association of America."
When "CLOWN MASS" is googled in quotes, you get 8,890 links, the majority of which actually discuss Roman Catholic masses conducted by/attended by CLOWNS.
If you are saved, you do not want to sin, you hate sin... So anyone that says I can sin all I want..was never saved in the first place.. But the unsaved can not understand that, because all they will to do is sin, and they can not imagine not desiring that sin above every thing else
Why should the Protestants "fear" God if they "know" they are "saved?" This is what I mean when I say Protestantism is sheer man-made nonsense
Fear..awe is the beginning of wisdom...
Do you fear the god you do not know?
Cronos, I was not at all deceived and have to this time determined the issue would not be lost in knit-picking particulars you would like to make issue with, And just for the record Constantine indeed see Himself as a Pope. You know fully well the climate at that time was highly charged in every way.....the church had little if any control. Heck even today we see the media pushing Hillary to be President and boot OBama, before he is even taken from office. And we live in supposedly civil times. It was not the case then as we know.
My point is when we get hung up on explicate people/references we get sidetracked from the issue...as said before...this gets the real issue debated getting lost by refocusing the argument onto who said what and when...begins to sound like old woman's gossip clutch. ..which this is beginning to look like.
AMEN!
Darkness does not understand light because it cannot discern one thing from another.
If I recall correctly the "Neverending Thread" went well beyond 50,000.
Rnmom has apologized most deferentially and in an honourable fashion. You have not.
If our Lord is not really and truly present in the Holy Eucharist, how is it mocking or disrespectful to have clowns there.
I believe that a clown who understands the Real Presence should be rebuked for his lack of reverence for the Body and Blood of Christ; but this doesn't even approach the level of disrespect and disbelief that is exhibited by those who deny the Real Presence and dismiss the Holy Eucharist as "crackers."
I once saw Benny Hinn in person.. he was "appearing " at a church near me.. I would never call him orthodox ..in fact until recently I would have said plainly that he was a charlatan ..a pretender
I think that he's nothing more than a charlatan myself, but he HAS been praised as orthodox on this thread.
Good challenge CYC..... Now that is exactly what I'd like to see debated, post the references and then honestly debate why or not they are truth....and generally what good theologians etc. do...they look at these writings and examine and debate...the difference is when scripture is checked along side...and which must be the final authority of the truth or falsehood being debated.
"Being CONFIDENT of this very thing, that HE which hath begun a good work in you WILL PERFORM IT until the day of Christ."
(Philippians 1:6). What security we have that it is not us, but God who is performing every good work in us until the day of Christ! He began it, and it is He who will finish it.
Rome can make no claim. All it offers is man-derived hope, promises, and directions, and instructions for 'righteousness', all by fallen men for fallen men. Traditions and doctrines of doubters and unbelievers in the finished work of Christ.
Of course, I suppose it's difficult after basing an entire lifetime on things seen, heard, smelled, touched, and tasted, to look into an empty tomb and declare victory and salvation. Not understanding that faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things NOT SEEN, they rest their hope on the last visible sign, Christ on the Cross. So, there they keep Him. Hanging and suffering, hoping to carry out the remainder of His work for Him. "Suffering" for Him, eating and drinking His blood and body, attempting to bring in the Kingdom on their own, they stumble at the stumblingblock: The tomb is empty. That is God's proof to us that the wages of our sin has been paid IN FULL.
I didn't quote any source verbatim, and I don't have a single source. Although I did no field work myself I have read extensively on the subject. Below are a few of the books in my library on the subject.
Dr. Gerald E. Aardsma (www.biblicalchronologist.org)
Biblical Archeology (www.bib-org.org)
A Historical Atlas of the Jewish People edited by Eli Barnavi,
The Exodus Case: New Discoveries Confirm the Historical Exodus - Lennart Moller, Exodus Decoded - History Channel, The Catholic Encyclopedia
The Israelite Exodus from Egypt - Jimmy Dunn Archaeological History of the Ancient Middle East - Jack Finegan
Chronicle of the Pharaohs (The Reign-By-Reign Record of the Rulers and Dynasties of Ancient Egypt) - Peter Clayton
The Dictionary of Ancient Egypt - Ian Shaw & Paul Nicholson
A History of Ancient Egypt - Nicolas Grimal,
The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt – Ian Shaw,
Pharaohs and Kings (A Biblical Quest) - David M. Rohl,
Ramesses: Egypt's Greatest Pharaoh – Joyce Tyldesley,
Ramesses II - T. G. H James,
Ramesses II: Greatest of the Pharaohs - Bernadette Menu,
The Seventy Great Mysteries of Ancient Egypt - Bill Manley
What I don't understand is why someone who denies the Real Presence would care.
Without the Sacrifice of the Mass and the Real Presence of our Lord, a Protestant service is nothing more that reading, preaching and singing -- Christ IS NOT PRESENT -- I could care less how people dress when they go see some Presbyterian priestess perform.
AMEN!
Leave off the quotes, use Presbyterian Church Clowns, and see 95,700 links. Heh.
Most reformed denominations do not allow women as pastors, ruling elders or deacons
But I would point out that 50 years ago nuns wore burka like garments, there was no lay diaconate, no altar girls,no lay eucharistic minister (men and women ), no communion in the hand, no cup, a overnight fast and no meat on friday were the rules
Modernism eats away at all foundations..it is not exclusive to protestants.. .Personally I do not want a woman pastor and I would not attend a church that had one..
The protestants that are leaving are generally people that have a legalist church background and believe that they are saved by law keeping and rules.. or they are people that like all the pomp of the catholic church..
Now you know i am going to say this.. a saved man or woman will not convert to a law based church ... because they have known grace..
We know the Gospel demonstrably better than the sola crowd because we have the Faith handed down from the Apostles and Jesus Christ himself. Remember that it is one of you guys that gave us a list of five Pauline verses - a group of four and a single verse - and told us that THIS IS THE GOSPEL.
You guys ask, we give you this answer, you don't like that answer, then ask the question again someplace else and complain that we don't answer it. The truth is that we do - getting an answer that you don't like is not the same as not getting one.
If you enter into Google... Judith Ann fool...
You get 124,000 hits.
I forget the Heh.
Heh.
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