Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
has your particular heresy during Communion ever dressed up in clown suits? how about devil outfits? Barney? None of the above? Well then you’re definitely not Catholic.
It's just amazing that people believe that because they have more members, they've "been around longer", they blah, blah, blah, they are SURELY the "true church". Satan has been around since BEFORE the fall, endlessly impressed people. You think he shudders with fear when you quote traditions or doctrines of men?? Bwhahahaha...look around you. He is everywhere that works supercede Christ's finished work on the Cross. He is overseeing every place that people believe the traditions and doctrines of men over God's written word. He waits with anticipation for people to be overpowered by lying signs, wonders, and miracles. That's why he's still here. To continue THE LIE. "I WILL...I CAN..." You are protected all right. From the TRUTH. That comes from the written word of God. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. NOT MAN'S fairytales of how to get to God.
Been re-reading your posts, Judith Anne?
They ONLY believe their distorted interpretations of Saint Paul's epistles. The fact that all of the Gospels were composed after 2nd Timothy simply bolsters their resolve against the Gospels.
Awesome links, sfa. Thanks a million.
Is God immutable?
Catholics seem to disregard anything that does not fit into their doctrine..
Is ALL the bible the infallible word of God?
Well then, if the Gospels weren’t written then and they believe the OT is a done deal, finished and done away with... then there is no “Scripture” for Paul to talk about other than his letters. They hadn’t gotten all of them to the printing press when Timothy was written. (I’m so confuzed now...)
And I’d like for someone to read Leviticus and explain in detail about being a Jewish Priest. Since if it ain’t in there it just ain’t.
“”the number most Jewish commentators arrive at is 6 million.”
The number most archeologists and historians arrive at is no more than 7500.
First there is no way the total number of descendants of Jacob could ever approach 6 million with the number of generations available from Levi to the exodus. If we assume that the twelve children of Jacob had 5 children survive to adulthood, and the generation of Kohath, Amram and Moses each had 5 children survive to adulthood, the maximum number of people (men, women and children) descended from Jacob alive at the time of the exodus would be approximately 7500.
In Exodus 12:3, the army of Israel (”gevoriym” or warriors) was compared to the size of Pharaoh’s army of 600 chariots (Exodus 14:7) which brought fear to the Israelites. How could 600 chariots be considered a threat to 600,000 warriors of Israel? Equally puzzling is the fear the Israelites felt at entering the promised land where each city probably contained no more than 5,000 warriors compared to their 600,000.
Another problem is the simple logistics necessary to supply, feed, water and move such a large number. According to the Quartermaster General of the US Army, it would take 1,500 tons of food, 4,000 tons of wood as fuel and 11,000,000 gallons of water each day to supply the basic needs of this group. At 2 tons per cord of wood it would have required 2,000 cords of wood per day. (That is a 256,000 cubic foot pile of wood.) The Sinai isn’t capable of producing any of these in sufficient supply to support your numbers. Another problem is waste disposal and the location of latrine facilities remote enough from the water sources not to present a problem. One need only need look at the desperate conditions of the Khurds following Desert Storm.
A camp of this size would be approximately five miles by five miles square assuming only 1,000 square feet per family. One located in the center of the camp would require a hike of 2.5 miles to use the restroom if it were located outside the as instructed.
Another problem is the estimated population of the nation of Israel compared to the estimated population of Egypt at this time. The entire population of Egypt at the time of the exodus was considerably less than six million. Where did all of the people come from and why didn’t Egypt, an agrarian society highly dependent upon manual labor, collapse in their absence?
The Hebrew text of Exodus 12:41; “about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women and children” reads “c’shesh me’ot eleph rag’liy hagebariym l’vad mitaph”. This could also be translated as “about six hundred chiefs (eleph) on foot are the warriors apart from the children”. We know have a group of warriors that would find the 600 chariots of Pharaoh a formidable army. If we also assume that each chief (head of the family) included a wife and 5 children we have 6,000 people correlating the previous calculation of descendants from Levi to the exodus. By changing the translation of the word “eleph” to chiefs will also fit the census records of numbers.
Numbers 1:21 the number of the tribe of Reuben was forty-six thousand five hundred. The Hebrew of this passage could also be translated as; “The number for the tribe of Rueben is six and 40 (46) chiefs and 5 hundred”. With this alternate translation we have 46 chiefs and 500 family members. When we apply this method to the remainder of the tribes we come to a total number of 598 chiefs and 5,550 others (The standard translation of the complete census is 603,550, if the 3 is changed to a five, a possible error we have 605,550 very close to the 598 (2 short of 600) chiefs and 5550 people. Note, the Septuagint (LXX) does have a change of 5 to a 4 so the error is not out of the realm of possibilities).
In summary, it would appear that the slavery of the Israelites in Egypt lasted 130 years and approximately 7,000 individuals were preached to by Moses at Mt. Sinai.
11,895 posted on Saturday, October 16, 2010 7:46:47 PM by Natural Law”
The above is from post #11,895.
This is from the web site:
RSV Exodus 12:40,41 The time that the people of Israel dwelt in Egypt was four ... According to this passage 600000 men descended from Yaacov left Egypt. ...
www.ancient-hebrew.org/39_exodus.html - Cached - Similar
(The above is straight from the google’s mouth.)
“Another problem is the estimated population of the nation of Israel compared to the estimated population of Egypt at this time. It is estimated that the whole population of Egypt at the time of the exodus was between 2 and 5 million. According to the above estimates of the population of Israel, the people of Israel would be the population of Egypt.
Another problem is the large number of people is not possible with the number of generations available from Levi to the exodus. The average number of children born to the descendents of Yaacov is three to five. If we assume that the twelve children of Yaacov had 5 children, and the generation of Kohath, Amram and Moses each had 5 children, the maximum number of people (men, women and children) descended from Yaacov at the time of the exodus would be approximately 7500.
The Hebrew text of Exodus 12:41; “about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women and children” reads “c’shesh me’ot eleph rag’liy hagebariym l’vad mitaph”. This could also be translated as “about six hundred chiefs (eleph) on foot are the warriors apart from the children”. We know have a group of warriors that would find the 600 chariots of Pharoah a formidable army. If we also assume that each chief (head of the family) included a wife and 5 children we have 6,000 people correlating the previous calculation of descendents from Levi to the exodus.
By changing the translation of the word “eleph” to chiefs will also fit the census records of numbers.
RSV Numbers 1:21 the number of the tribe of Reuben was forty-six thousand five hundred.
The Hebrew of this passage could also be translated as; “The number for the tribe of Rueben is six and 40 (46) chiefs and 5 hundred”. With this alternate translation we have 46 chiefs and 500 family members. When we apply this method to the remainder of the tribes we come to a total number of 598 chiefs and 5,550 others (The standard translation of the complete census is 603,550, if the 3 is changed to a five, a possible error we have 605,550 very close to the 598 (2 short of 600) chiefs and 5550 people. Note, the Septuagint (LXX) does have a change of 5 to a 4 so the error is not out of the realm of possibilities).
In summary, it would appear that the slavery of the Israelites in Egypt lasted 130 years and approximately 7,000 individuals traveled to Mt. Sinai”
Comment?
Yes.
Is God immutable?
Yes.
Catholics seem to disregard anything that does not fit into their doctrine..
There is a great deal of difference between disagreeing with a certain interpretation of a Biblical passage and disregarding it.
Is ALL the bible the infallible word of God?
Of what use is an infallible instrument if interpreted by a fallible person?
Do YOU really believe that the Bible is infallible? If so, why do YOU participate? How DO you interpret 1 Timothy 2:11-12?
But as a self-professed agnostic, you can't tell us much of anything about God or Jesus Christ or faith or grace.
Mainstream Protestants agree on the basic, historic, orthodox beliefs of Christianity.
Basic beliefs which Roman Catholics deny, i.e. Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men; Scripture is the revealed will of God and as such, remains our only rule of faith and practice; the priesthood of all believers and not a priesthood of "alter Christus;" salvation by grace and not good works; and a spiritual, symbolic participation in the Lord's Supper, rather than the cannibalistic repast conjured up by Rome.
And lest we forget, Rome has totally usurped the role and purpose of the Holy Spirit. What could be a greater error?
Over the years on this forum I've been strengthened to learn of the over-riding agreement Protestant churches have regarding their salvation by Christ, for Christ, through Christ, in direct and clear opposition to the traditions of men taught by Rome.
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope: And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us." -- Romans 5:1-5"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Do you understand Paul? Do you see that he is telling us that even the love we have for God is given to us by the Holy Spirit?
Rome boasts of itself, while Protestants glory in the Lord alone.
"Come and hear, all ye that fear God, and I will declare what he hath done for my soul." -- Psalm 66:16
No one else.
what kind of muddled reasoning is that? The OT is the story of the Plan of Salvation foretelling of the Messiah, and all the prophecies foretell of and end in Christ. The priests served in the temple,which was, as the book of Hebrews tells us a blueprint that also was fulfilled in Christ.
Which part is confusing?
I have done further examination and the truth certainly is there were Popes/Church who opposed the use of Icons/Images. The Popes/Church battled with one another.... as well as with the Emperors of the use of Idols/Images in the faith. Some won their position for a time...then others won for a time. The facts are there was a war among the leaderships about Idols/Images within the Church. Everybody had their own take on how they saw this.
IMO this continues to be unsettled despite the Councils met and what they have determined. The opposition continues to this day. Just as though the Catholic church opposes Abortion...many within the church nonetheless support it. Although clearly apparent the Popes and the various councils,edits, etc. favor them now. So for a Catholic it's obviously ok to do so since they rely on what Rome states.
In my opinion I oppose the "Veneration" of what I see and understand Idolatry to be....perhaps Catholics choose to see it less than that and more an honoring a saint...still the fact many members of the church do indeed bow, kiss, and pray to a man made Idol, be it a representation of a departed Saint or whomever, the “Behavior” certainly depicts worship even if by proxy.
Further we are called not to put a stumbling block before others of a weaker faith...I can see clearly having all these images/idols could easily mis-lead those to indeed worship them and see them as having the ability to answer their prayers, protect them, fight for them etc. which many Catholics DO believe...... when in fact..... it is Christ who alone has the authority and power.... there is nothing scriptural to support the behavior nor did Christ do so Himself....we are called to follow Him, pray to Him, and that..... He is the only intercessor between God and man.
It is quite clear.
so’s a high level scientologist
No, foolishly I have been reading yours. I certainly won't make that mistake again.
WELL PUT.
Thanks for being WRONG again.
I’ve noted Pentecostal errors etc. as well as flaws of my current congregation . . . from the beginning.
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