Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Wellllll some of the letters may be authentic or partially authentic. Sorting the truth from the long, mid, and short recensions is; however, a daunting task.
The apologist is content to pick and choose whichever of them suits his purpose and hope the reader doesn't question the source.
no 3 people, she included bkaycee
I think those just have plainchant. (The Church always messes up when it gets into areas outside its field.)
Seriously, I read somewhere that Aquinas thought that there ought to be bordellos allowed outside of cities. His thinking, supposedly, was that there is going to be vice, so let's manage it and get it out of town.
Since Judith didn't name anyone your assertion that she was referring to anyone specifically is an attempt at mind reading. Besides, it probably was just a coincidence that individuals with an extensive record of "Harpish" behavior would conclude they were the ones being referred to, and those who recognize "Harpish" behavior would conclude the the same.
I have to consult Emily Post for the correct Response. How about, "Why, thank you! That's very papist of you."
They DO let me teach, you know, and sometimes ask me to write stuff. For the last two years I was 'detailed' to write the answers to the questions in our RCIA question box. They never actually built a pyre in the church quad, so I guess I did okay ...
So, please, seriously;
I said:
The Church too is a body, in some sense. But in that sense, whatever it might be, it is also vivified by the Spirit of Christ. And so it is Christ's body.
And you responded:
This is one of those things that IS covered in scripture and scripture disagrees with you...
So I'm interested. May I ask you to detail your thoughts a little? I have to say I thought I was saying something uncontroversial.
I've heard this is the reasoning behind the support for Halloween, Mardi Gras, and Carnival. Give people a "safe outlet" for their vices, and they'll be more obedient the rest of the time.
If you don't know that's not what I said, if you don't see that that was the rebuff of a friendly overture with a snotty, tendentious, glib, and false retort, then that has to be one of the shortest exchanges on record.
It's hard enough to find the truth in the midst of discord without people setting out to pervert discourse.
First, do you think Ignatius wrote three versions of his letters?
Second, Is it possible that you don't know that some of his letters are spurious?
Third, are you playing a game?
When actually read and not skimmed, it is funny. You could be my hero soon if you keep this up!
(ps: only if you don a fiddleback)
2's company, 3's a crowd, and 4 harpy's are called a View
Pure mean spiritness. This wins the prize.
Did you see where the head harpy walked off stage yesterday? (I guess, it was on the news last night)
It's hard enough to find the truth in the midst of discord without people setting out to pervert discourse.
You have no idea how exceptionally hard it is on my end, trying to engage in honest discourse, when the other party allows their PMS to color the conversation. I'm so sorry that I bothered you with a sincere reply. I'll do my best to make sure that it never happens again.
Not really.
BUT what they do not have is the right to then claim THEY are the first true church designed by the Holy Spirit ...because there is absolutely no similarity
Best post of the day. Thank you.
My friend..how did I know that it would be because we think the bible means what it says..shame on us..
It NEVER USES the greek word for priest in the NT church ..NEVER
We do not get to interpret the scriptures to say what we want it to say.. That is Gods words and HE gets to say what it means ...
No where in the letters is a priest mentioned, no where in the NT is the priesthood carried into the NT church ...
I know it is hard..but if interpreting the word of God by what it says is true, then the Roman church is in error and all the practices and teachings are in question..
You are a very bright man..too bright to ignore the very words that are printed in the scriptures..God chose the greek language because it is very specific.. the writers knew what the word for priest was, and they never used it.. tradition can not change the meaning of the words..
What was admitted was that ample Scriptural support for the priesthood. The direct references include:
1 Peter 2:5 - be a holy priesthood to offer sacrifices through Christ 1 Timothy 3:1,8; 1 Timothy 5:17 - identifies roles of bishops, priests and deacons Titus 1:5 - Commission for bishops to ordain priests
Now, tell me where Scripture says that Scripture shall be the only source for the Revealed Word.
Could you define sola scriptura for me?
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