Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Which Christ is it that you follow???
The Christ found in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The Christ proclaimed by the Church for the last 2000 years.
Perhaps in flipping through the channels in comfort perched on the LaZBoy Throne in the Sunday Sports Church of Iscool (population one), you may have run across the name.
What? That makes no sense that I can see, neither half.
They want to use the scriptures when it suites their purposes.. other wise it gathers dust..
They want to use the scriptures reason when it suites their purposes.. other wise it gathers drust..
I guess it's easier to refute something we do not teach. You have not given a plausible account of our theology of orders, and your offered refutations do not refute what we teach.
You're left with a religion of a "visible organization" and a "visible society" with a "visible social structure". Whose head is the visible Pope, the "visible head of the whole church", each sacrament performed is a "visible form of grace", and these sacraments are administered by a "visible and external priesthood", whose primary duties are to forgive sins and offer the Mass, "a visible sacrifice (as human nature requires)". - Council of Trent, session 22, chapter 1. No finished work of Christ. No understanding of our present and future spiritual blessings in Christ, and no need to read further than their carnal minds THINK they need to read in order to keep them on that "journey to salvation."
Daily devotionals, recipe swapping for the suggested food to go with the devotional, pre-printed prayer suggestions, and Saint of the Day biographies are faithfully given. And the Epistles of Paul, are routinely ignored, dismissed, and mocked. After all, he speaks of things NOT SEEN, but known by faith alone. Perhaps if Paul had written a cookbook to go with his epistles, they would have been at least glanced at.
Again since I pinged.....
As we have established the NT priesthood was Christ, (Heb. 4:14, 9:24), acting as high priest and the under priests being those resurrected to heaven to serve in that capacity, (1 Peter 2:9, Rev. 5:9) there exists no priestly class or service within the framework of the Christian congregation, no “Fathers” (Matt. 23:9).
But Christian doctrine and a NT priesthood can and should...
My life is hid with Christ. The Spirit prays within me, especially when I do not know how to pray as I ought. Now I live "yet not I, but Christ lives in me.
You're still half Protestant...This in not language of any cradle Catholic or most former Protestant converts I have ever heard...
The Church too is a body, in some sense. But in that sense, whatever it might be, it is also vivified by the Spirit of Christ. And so it is Christ's body.
This is one of those things that IS covered in scripture and scripture disagrees with you...
In my 'walk', in my offering of myself to Jesus as his 'minister', his lesser one -- which is at the root of the word, in my seeking to live as one loved, to do what one who need do nothing to be saved would do, this theme of Paul and of the Fathers became more and more important.
Again, that's not Catholic talk...You must mystify most Catholics...And how do you know God took you up on your offer??? Many folks say, 'God called me to preach, or be a pastor or teacher, and so I do...Others say they wanted to be a preacher, so they do...
A wonder is proclaimed to us in the death and rising of the Lord. Shall we invite Him into our hearts as Lord and Savior and then ... go back to arguing on Free Republic, for crying out loud?
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
I would say absolutely yes, as long as we have the written words of God to back us up...
I assume we're only talking recent history. Does that include those running out of Franciscan apartments or just those advocated by Catholic Bishops?
Absolutely. And because “ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God...”(2 Tim. 3:16), it would seem that ALL SCRIPTURE should be studied, rightly divided, and understood as God’s revealed Word to man. They may not LIKE what He says, but that doesn’t CHANGE what He says. Oh, wait a minute, that’s exactly what is done. Don’t like what is said? Fine, add a few traditions, throw in some magisterium doctrines, twist sound scripture into implicit meanings, and call yourself a workman of God who needs not to be ashamed. Uh-huh...
What will Christ's Judgement be based on? Are you asking how Catholics understand it -- or asking in the spirit of the college student who wants to know about everythng, "Is this going to be on the final?"
Yes, how Catholics understand it.
Apparently you're not much into praying to God...Not a Catholic thing I guess...
Some folks pray once per day...They start when they get up in the morning and say Amen when they lay their head on their pillow that night...Guess that seems kind of foolish to you...
I haven't really kept it up to date - it could be pages long by now. But I wouldn't use it as a justification for you to stalk people or carry arguments thread to thread as you seem to do. Apples/Oranges.
> did you ever read “the way of the pilgrim”?
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No, I’ve never heard of it.
I wasn’t trying to be facetious about Paul’s admonition; I realize that he simply meant that we’re to turn to God constantly, at each and every fork in the road.
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Wow. I could even read that without my reading glasses....
As i read your post, the theme of “Deliverance” sort of played in the back of my head...
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What exactly are the rules for inclusion? Are you aware that TSgt has a petition going to be included on your profile page?
that is funny. Judith anne was just telling us to find 3 posts in 10,000, yet objects to the data storage, and overlooks that Catholics here archive the same things. rules for thee, none for me
that is funny. Judith anne was just telling us to find 3 posts in 10,000, yet objects to the data storage, and overlooks that Catholics here archive the same things. rules for thee, none for me
Though our oldest manuscripts are >300 years old there is considerable consistency to accept them as "sufficiently" authentic.
As to who wrote the Gospels?????????? I am after all a Unitarian. :-)
I do believe the selection of the "sacred" books to be accepted as Scripture was an arbitrary procedure and a choice made by men, not the Holy Spirit. That said, I believe the Scripture we have today is "sufficient" and worthwhile.
Sweet Judith is correct. Though Quix, I, and others may use descriptive language it cannot be construed to be personal when applied to a group.
Quix does not use epithets however.
I didn’t think you were sassing anyone and I wasn’t sassing you back.
What made me think of The Way of the Pilgrim was that the man who wrote it supposedly was touched with the injunction to pray without ceasing and tried to obey it.
It’s all kind of Orthodox and everything, but it might be worth a glance.
And sometimes in our dreams. ...
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