Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[MarkBsnr]

The other side has a sort of permanent full court press going on.

Sadly, they forgot to plug their iron in...

[Cronos]

And, of course, YOU, Old Reggie have put your own personal interpretation on my comment which went And, of course, to put YOPIOS on my text leads to a false interpretation of the "bible read in it's entirety at mass each day". --> now if you can read, you would see that this is not directed to AM. It's kind of simple to read, just like the simple beliefs that we Christians have in the Trinity and the divinity of Christ -- things that Unitarians like yourself do not share in with us Christians (yes, Catholics, Orthodox, Calvinists, Baptists etc. believe in the Divinity of Christ and the Trinity --> which Unitarians do not believe in)

[bkaycee]

Sorry, I thought you were quoting Matt 25 as if that WAS the Gospel.

If taken literally, the only requisite is charity towards those in need.

[Cronos]

Which false claim? You and the Unitarian group don’t agree with us (NL, me and MetMom) on the Trinity and the Divinity of Christ, right?

[OLD REGGIE]

They actually don’t have to chase down any posts. Alex Murphy keeps them all categorized and looks them up for any prod who wants one. He goes back YEARS. A reasonable person might call that stalking-type behavior.

Paranoia is treatable.

[bkaycee]

So really anyone can get to heaven by just living the Golden rule of Matt 25, correct?

Where did Christ say that?

Matt 25 Is continually quoted to us as the Gospel. If read literally, salvation is a reward for those who help the needy.

Is that the Gospel for Catholics?

[wmfights]

as opposed to the Reformist trash taught by insufferable cretins?

As RC's have repeatedly shown they don't even teach The Gospel in the RCC. Instead a systematic theology has been created that teaches the individual RC to be dependent upon this church and it's hierarchy for all things, including what the individual RC is allowed to think.

WM: "garbage taught by a bunch of fools"

What else would you call a group of people who believe custom is equal to or greater than the inerrant Word of God?

[MarkBsnr]

As I said earlier, Calvinism is a lot like Islam, they just haven't latched on to the Islamofascist notion that "heaven" has an open bar and free hookers.

I wonder how that would sit with the various Hyacinth Buckets that lurk in the Reformed shrubberies. Can you imagine them thinking of their henpecked men enjoying a free bar and hookers? That would drive them out of their canary-sized minds...

[MarkBsnr]

Sorry, I thought you were quoting Matt 25 as if that WAS the Gospel.

If taken literally, the only requisite is charity towards those in need.

That is a significant portion of the Gospel message, but it is not complete in itself, obviously. The earliest Christians took the Beatitudes, for instance, as the core of the Gospel message, but there were other emphases such as the faith of the believers, the life, death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus, the hope of eternal salvation and the emerging realization of Jesus as God.

[OLD REGGIE]

I actually got one brilliant reply asking how much was read in a Unitarian service

Yep. And the answer is...?

I dunno. We have no Lectionary nor a central authority which we must obey.

If your concern is getting the most amount of [Christian] scripture read in church, aren't you in the wrong church?

Or is this not your real concern?

My concern was that the truth be told. It wasn't.

[Natural Law]

"As RC's have repeatedly shown they don't even teach The Gospel in the RCC."

That is an idiotic conclusion. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously? You and your anti-Catholic cabal need to huddle up and get your stories straight.

The Gospels are the foundation of Catholic dogma. On a daily basis Catholics are criticized in this forum by the various and assorted reformist cults, cliques, covens, heresies and denominations for placing too great an emphasis on the Gospels at the expense of the letters of Paul and the Old Testament.

[OLD REGGIE]

"No, Cronos - as I have demonstrated to you twice before, using only Catholic lectionary statistics - you are hearing just 27.5% of the text at best in mass after three years' of unbroken daily attendance"

The real question is how much of the Gospels are read in the three year cycle. Since the Old Testament is the equivalent of the introduction of the Gospels and the Letters of Paul an epilogue they are relevant only in as much as they directly support or clarify the Gospels. You will find the number for the Gospels is well in excess of 90%.

No. The real question is the truth, not a smokescreen.

Smoke away.

[D-fendr]

My concern was that the truth be told.

About the amount of scripture read at Mass.

Ok.

Would the truth be: A great deal more than at your church?

[OLD REGGIE]

First, is not a bribe a kind of urging?

Whatever you say. :-)

[D-fendr]

We have no Lectionary nor a central authority which we must obey.

How's that working for ya?

UU World:   In 1997, the Unitarian Universalist Association surveyed more than 8,000 active UUs and found that humanists — a category that includes agnostics and atheists — constituted 46 percent of the membership.

[OLD REGGIE]

I asked you to defend the proposition that the entire Bible was read during Mass.

And I ask you to defend the statement that your church reads from and encourages non-Christian, pagan, and non-theistic readings during church.

Leg to stand?

I made no claims. I have nothing to defend.

[D-fendr]

I have nothing to defend.

That's one way to describe it.

And it explains why there are only attacks.

[OLD REGGIE]

So the oft made claim, in all its versions (like reading the office gets you the entire Psalter) is false, IMHO.

Ahhh. Refreshing honesty.

FWIW I don't believe we should depend on any one but ourselves for Scripture.

[Natural Law]

"No. The real question is the truth, not a smokescreen."

I don't know if Cronos misspoke or intentionally misinformed, or even what the point he was trying to make really is. My point is that you seem to be fighting over a meaningless point. It doesn't matter a whit nor diminish the richness and completeness of the Catholic Mass and Lectionary and Liturgical calendar.

The root of the Christian theology and Catholic dogma is the Gospels, 95% of which are read over a two year period. Select versus from the introduction to the Gospels, the old testament, and select versus from the epilogue to the Gospels, the Letters of Paul, are read to the degree they lend clarity and context to the Gospels. All are followed by a homily that ties them all together. They are not presented out of context like most Protestant services and expounded on in some perverse attempt to unlock their hidden meanings and reveal it only to those lucky enough to have hired the Rev. Billy-Bob Rolex.

[kosta50]

Christianity came first

LOL, Gnostics precede Christians. I guess you missed class that day... :)