Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
You've been around here long enough to know that none of your slurs against Catholics are true.
I'll stick with what Scripture teaches rather than the garbage taught by a bunch of fools who don't have enough sense to hold to Scripture as the rule of their faith.
Oh? ALL of them?
Correct. Definitely not a Benny Hinn (with demonic hair) or Jimmy Swaggart (with demonic track pants)...
I like history and facts and the facts are that the Early Christians’ practises and beliefs in the case of mass, priests, etc. are adequately and in fact extensively proven to be similar to the practises and beliefs as handed down and followed in The CHurch
LOL !
You're very good; I consider you a "secondary source."
What a blatant distortion and misrepresentation of what cronos actually posted. Cronos said we read the entire Bible in the mass, not the entire Bible in a single mass.
Yup she made a mistake. Shame on her.
Yup Cronos made a false claim. Double shame on him.
This from a member of a church that teaches bowing down to idols
I am not a member of such a church.
praying to the dead
Ditto
works of one person can be applied to another
If you mean prayers, then we are guilty.
and the continual need for grace refills.
I like the black raspberry and chocolate flavour.
I'll stick with what Scripture teaches
You've shown you haven't, except for out of context snippets. Why not stick with what Jesus teaches. You might be safer and you would be more Christian.
rather than the garbage taught by a bunch of fools who don't have enough sense to hold to Scripture as the rule of their faith.
Oh, oh, you are going to hack off all those here who hold Calvinist beliefs.
No, I don’t think so and he probably owns a ford.
What the "Catholic Apologist" crowd is reluctant to address is the FACT that the Gutenberg Press made the Reformation inevitable.
I have an idea what our pagan friends consider me...
Please tell me they didn't do away with the Vulcan mindmeld healing grip too. That would be beyond the pale.
I had the impression that your statements about yourself and about the early history of the Church were the case.
The other side has a sort of permanent full court press going on. So impeaching sources, impeaching those who cite the sources, misstating what we profess, and constant rope-a-dope are what we have to expect.
"This altar whereat we stand is by nature only common stone, nothing different from other stones, whereof our walls are made and our pavements adorned; but after it is consecrated and dedicated to the service of God, it becomes a holy table, an immaculate altar."
""[T]here are many other things which most properly can keep me in [the Catholic Church’s] bosom.
The unanimity of peoples and nations keeps me here.
Her authority, inaugurated in miracles, nourished by hope, augmented by love, and confirmed by her age, keeps me here.
The succession of priests, from the very see of the apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after his resurrection, gave the charge of feeding his sheep [John 21:15–17], up to the present episcopate, keeps me here.
And last, the very name Catholic, which, not without reason, belongs to this Church alone, in the face of so many heretics, so much so that, although all heretics want to be called ‘Catholic,’ when a stranger inquires where the Catholic Church meets, none of the heretics would dare to point out his own basilica or house" (Against the Letter of Mani Called "The Foundation" 4:5 [A.D. 397]).
What casual students of history are reluctant to address is the FACT that the availability of book presses made tracts of all kinds in quantity to distribute to the masses. The only FACT of relevance here is that with the availability of cheap printed works, literacy would be inevitable. Now we wander into the use of mass print and the consequences thereof.
as opposed to the Reformist trash taught by insufferable cretins?
"Through countryside and city [the apostles] preached, and they appointed their earliest converts, testing them by the Spirit, to be the bishops and deacons of future believers. Nor was this a novelty, for bishops and deacons had been written about a long time earlier. . . . Our apostles knew through our Lord Jesus Christ that there would be strife for the office of bishop. For this reason, therefore, having received perfect foreknowledge, they appointed those who have already been mentioned and afterwards added the further provision that, if they should die, other approved men should succeed to their ministry" (Letter to the Corinthians 42:4–5, 44:1–3 [A.D. 80]).Hegesippus (AD 180)
"When I had come to Rome, I [visited] Anicetus, whose deacon was Eleutherus. And after Anicetus [died], Soter succeeded, and after him Eleutherus. In each succession and in each city there is a continuance of that which is proclaimed by the law, the prophets, and the Lord" (Memoirs, cited in Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History 4:22 [A.D. 180]).And +Ireneus
"It is possible, then, for everyone in every church, who may wish to know the truth, to contemplate the tradition of the apostles which has been made known to us throughout the whole world. And we are in a position to enumerate those who were instituted bishops by the apostles and their successors down to our own times, men who neither knew nor taught anything like what these heretics rave about" (Against Heresies 3:3:1 [A.D. 189]).
"But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the successions of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul—that church which has the tradition and the faith with which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. For with this Church, because of its superior origin, all churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world. And it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition"
"Since therefore we have such proofs, it is not necessary to seek the truth among others which it is easy to obtain from the Church; since the apostles, like a rich man [depositing his money] in a bank, lodged in her hands most copiously all things pertaining to the truth, so that every man, whosoever will, can draw from her the water of life. . . . For how stands the case? Suppose there arise a dispute relative to some important question among us, should we not have recourse to the most ancient churches with which the apostles held constant conversation, and learn from them what is certain and clear in regard to the present question?"
"The true knowledge is the doctrine of the apostles, and the ancient organization of the Church throughout the whole world, and the manifestation of the body of Christ according to the succession of bishops, by which succession the bishops have handed down the Church which is found everywhere" (ibid., 4:33:8).
Ah, OR, next you’ll be doubting the Bible too. Oh, wait, don’t the Unitarians already do that? As well as deny the Trinity and the divinity of Christ?
Sadly, there is only the Faith and the love of Christ. We would never be mistaken for children of the Reformation.
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