Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
Do you realize how much money the Gideons would have saved if someone had explained that everything would fit on a business card?
Let's take a look:
For if thou confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him up from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
-- Romans 10:9[1] Now I make known unto you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you have received, and wherein you stand; [2] By which also you are saved, if you hold fast after what manner I preached unto you, unless you have believed in vain. [3] For I delivered unto you first of all, which I also received: how that Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures: [4] And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day, according to the scriptures:
-- 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Now, I will certainly agree that these verses are important. However, they contain NOTHING that's not in the ACTUAL Gospels and leave out a great deal that is.
To a non-believer being presented with these five verses the immediate question would almost certainly be, "WHY should I believe this? What is so special about Jesus Christ? What did He actually say?" Now, if we look at the words of Saint Paul, he himself speaks of the Gospel he has preached, he DOES NOT suggest that this is the Gospel. These are VERY IMPORTANT verses that tell us the importance of the Gospel, but they ARE NOT the Gospel.
Since I have no idea of what you mean by this - I cannot say. Follow the commands of Christ and the catechism of the Church and you should have no problem upon your Judgement. Prating that Judgement does not apply to you just might carry its own rewards...
Given the history of forged Letters used justify RCC practices it is difficult, if not impossible, to acept the truthfullness of any of the "early" letters.
For example:
Ignatius of Antioch (AD 110)
The oldest collection of the writings of St. Ignatius known to have existed was that made use of by the historian Eusebius in the first half of the fourth century, but which unfortunately is no longer extant. It was made up of the seven letters written by Ignatius whilst on his way to Rome ; These letters were addressed to the Christians
of Ephesus (Pros Ephesious);
of Magnesia (Magnesieusin);
of Tralles (Trallianois);
of Rome (Pros Romaious);
of Philadelphia (Philadelpheusin);
of Smyrna (Smyrnaiois); and
to Polycarp (Pros Polykarpon).
We find these seven mentioned not only by Eusebius (Church History III.36 ) but also by St. Jerome (De viris illust., c. xvi). Of later collections of Ignatian letters which have been preserved, the oldest is known as the "long recension". This collection, the author of which is unknown, dates from the latter part of the fourth century. It contains the seven genuine and six spurious letters, but even the genuine epistles were greatly interpolated to lend weight to the personal views of its author. For this reason they are incapable of bearing witness to the original form. The spurious letters in this recension are those that purport to be from Ignatius
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA - IGNATIUS LETTERS - FACT OR FICTION
Best to ignore all which cannot be proven as authentic.
Yes He certainly has...
Have you mixed up your tenses yet again?
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
The judgment you speak of in Matthew is future...It WILL take place and apparently you guys will be there...
Your Romans verses apply to those who are Judged to salvation. In the future. Not right now. Jesus may have made you free, but a single sin has brought you back - not by His will, but by yours.
We Christians will never see that judgment...We have been judged already...
You're a Christian now? That's not apparent by your fruit. You won't be Judged? That's not what the Bible says.
As I said earlier, Calvinism is a lot like Islam, they just haven't latched on to the Islamofascist notion that "heaven" has an open bar and free hookers.
Each is an "Alter Goofus", or is it "In Persona Goofi".
I think that it is a matter of degree. We have those using the royal We who come equipped with a book that contains all the talking points from each cartoon Goofy.
Oh, well. One big Gotcha Investment down the tubes.
And the increasing poverty of the Calvinist mindset (not to mention their population), this has gotta hurt.
This is not factual. It is without truth. It is fiction.
You could attend Mass 7 days a week for 10 years and still not read, or have read to you, the entire Bible.
LECTIONARY STATISTICS
No backflips, no cartwheels, no speaking in tongues, no lightning from his earlobes, or phlegm from the lungs, no snakes or scorpions or pigs running about the stage? He'd never make it as a Pentecostal.
Certainly. The vast majority of the Bible was written as it was spoken and to be spoken.
I just finished listening to Mark and recommend it for a start.
Thank you for the kudos. Shall I start with our Reformed brethren?
Do you have any instances of Catholics on here quoting from any of Ignatius of Antioch's letters other than those known to be authentic?
It's never been a secret that several letters attributed to him were almost certainly written by someone else (which is not to say they are fraudulent, just that he didn't write them). Don't get me wrong, I know full well why his Letter to the Smyrnæans would make anti-Catholics uncomfortable (after all, it speaks very matter-of-factly about the Real Presence in the Eucharist and speaks of the Catholic Church by name), but no credible historian or theologian has ever suggested that Ignatius was not the author of it.
Of course you know it's authentic?
Point taken.
There must be a problem though, he does talk about Jesus alot. /s
Lol, ouch, didn’t think I needed the /s but here ya’ go “/s”.
It's the natural response for most reasonable people after having to deal with FR Calvinists. One can only take so much in-your-face lying and obfuscating until every post from an unknown freeper looks suspicious.
I'd tell you not to waste you time with them but it is fun to see how creatively they can misrepresent the Church's teachings or a post by a Catholic Freeper.
This from a member of a church that teaches bowing down to idols, praying to the dead, works buying salvation, works of one person can be applied to another, and the continual need for grace refills. Thank you.
I'll stick with what Scripture teaches rather than the garbage taught by a bunch of fools who don't have enough sense to hold to Scripture as the rule of their faith.
I think there’s a meaningful difference between, “We have no evidence,” and “We don’t have very good evidence.”
And, of course, you accuse Alex Murphy of something he never said.
Arrogance? Ignorance? I dunno, but it certainly isn't factual.
He might make it in the Reformed world, except that he really appears to believe in Jesus and not in misquoted and out of context snippets of Paul.
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