Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
I don't know about everyone else but I absolutely am. A "god" who can be convinced he is wrong, gain new understanding or in any way not be eternally and always in complete possession of His entire being isn't actually a God, he's a greek. A god who "thinks" is a god who apprehends something that he did not previously possess, we believe in a God Who Knows... well at least we're supposed to.
So how to "explain away" the passages that make reference to God "changing His mind"... well I "think" but do not "know" that these things are given to us to show the importance of our prayers which in the first place are about changing us, not changing God. Our co-operation with what God has ordained from all eternity is real, this isn't a puppet show that God has put on for His own amusement. Nevertheless God isn't the sphinx who we can stump with riddles or be clever enough to get the better of.
Because tradition is more important and believed truer by Catholics.. the word of God is of no effect ... or ignorance..
Mayhem?
Just askin....;-D
Later this atheist came up and was kind of incredulous. He’d just said to God just before the cartwheels, that
IF GOD WAS REAL, HE’D HAVE SOMEONE DO CARTWHEELS ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE AUDITORIUM.
I don't care who you are, that's *cool*!
It is an assumption of ours that the faith is reasonable. We don't mean one can dope it out without revelation. We do mean that what we can dope out is reasonable.
Part of the basis for this is the idea that discourse is significant, that what we say should be coherent. This necessarily involves what the limitations are on talking about God, specifically the limitation what we must resort to analogy because there is nothing else like God. Implicit, therefore, in every affirmation, is a negation. For example, we call God, "Father," but we do not mean that he lay with some female entity and the product of that union was us. We do not even mean that we are the same kind of thing as He.
What makes it even more interesting is that we start out thinking "God is like a father; Jesus is like a door," but, whether it results from mere thought or from thought and prayer and special grace, we end up thinking that human fathers are sort of like God who is the REAL Father, that the doors we walk through on earth are sort of like the True Door, Jesus.
So, I do not mean to trivialize the difficulty of meaningful discourse about God. (I must say, I do think a lot of the cheap shots on the Religion Forum do precisely that, which largely accounts for the unfavorable heat:light ratio.) But I do mean that God does not require us to kill our reason to follow Him. We do have to offer it, as Abraham offered Isaac, but it is restored to us whole and sound. Consequently it seems to me that statements which are frankly meaningless or which, upon examination, turn out to be meaningless are not completely useless, but they don't contribute to the discussion.
So - and that was a long introduction - that's why articles like this one of Feser's, and the scholastic enterprise seem to me to be inseparable from the life of the Church, though certainly not everyone is called to engage in scholastic studies.
So, here's an article by a Catholic philosopher which, while some parts deserve skimming, I hope you will find at least a little interesting and which will demonstrate the kind of thought which I think is indispensible to the Church's mission, while, I say again, not necessarily part of everyone's vocation.
Feser has done a wonderful job of proving most, if not all, of the modern atheists completely incoherent in two ways: They attack a God in whom no one believes and their arguments make no sense. I have described him to someone as the love child of Thomas Aquinas and Ann Coulter. He's a lot of fun.
Mat 13:24 ¶ Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: :25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. :26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. :27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? M:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
God will handle that
Amen
I think so, too.
The Pastor who’d opened the service was rather chagrinned and a bit taken aback that even that wonderful young man had taken him so literally.
Then when the atheist came up . . . it was like
WOW GOD!
OK. YOU DO ALL THINGS WELL, LORD. SHUT MY GAPING MOUTH and incredulity!
Let’s wait . . . I speculate that the RC’s will either ignore this whole example—particularly the ones who’ve been throwing the biggest bucket of rocks . . .
or
they will continue with more snarky sniping!
I bet not a single one of them will be open to God’s dealings in the matter to the least degree . . .
wellll one or two of the rational ones might but I’m not holding my breath, even there. I hope I’m wrong.
Of course, to be fair, I suspect a goodly contingent of wary to hostile-to-Pentecostalism Calvinists will likely be silent, or worse, too. At least most of them are more rational about such things and not absolutely rigidly closed minded.
That alone was worth this entire thread.Thanks!
. No, YOU call the body of Christ a cracker.
We have the records here on FR which remain unedited. You call the Body of Christ a cracker.
I know from God’s word that the communion bread and cup are a simple REMEMBRANCE as the Lord himself stated. It is the Catholics that have a seance instead of communion.
Which pagan god are you referring to? I worship Christ.
John 6:48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died; 50 this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world." 52 The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?" 53 Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. 54 Whoever eats 19 my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever." 59 These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
60 20 Then many of his disciples who were listening said, "This saying is hard; who can accept it?" 61 Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, "Does this shock you? 62 What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? 21 63 It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh 22 is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe." Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him. 65 And he said, "For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father." 66 As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him.
Whoever refuses to eat and drink of the Lord - true food and true drink - and finds it hard to accept do not walk the Via of Christ - they walk their own path.
There are many who mock Christ and who mock Christians. This is what Christ has to say - truly and not something learned from pagan gods -
Matthew 5: 8 Blessed are the clean of heart, for they will see God. 9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God. 10 Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, 9 for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you (falsely) because of me. 12 10 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward will be great in heaven. Thus they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Acts 7: 54 When they heard this, they were infuriated, and they ground their teeth at him. 55 But he, filled with the holy Spirit, looked up intently to heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, 3 56 and he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God." 57 But they cried out in a loud voice, covered their ears, 4 and rushed upon him together. 58 They threw him out of the city, and began to stone him. The witnesses laid down their cloaks at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59 As they were stoning Stephen, he called out, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." 5 60 Then he fell to his knees and cried out in a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them"; and when he said this, he fell asleep.
I pray for all men, that God may recover all the sheep of the world, all the men that He has created and that no man continues to resist the Grace of God and departs from the Faith handed down to us from the Apostles.
It sure is. Now if you'll only explain your joke.
"...You don't think that had anything to do with the afore mentioned effluvial flow do you?" The Truth!
I am always interested in the posts of the good Dr. E. You, my friend have a ways to go before your posts reach the quality of hers.
Are you saved ?
Have I ever done it except inadvertently? If I leave off somebody that I address I try to ping them in a subsequent post. Courtesy, you know?
Keyword here is Pentecostals
60 20 Then many of his disciples who were listening said, "This saying is hard; who can accept it?"
61 Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, "Does this shock you?
62 What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
64 But there are some of you who do not believe." Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.
65 And he said, "For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father." 66 As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him.
What was he saying just before they left?
It is my understanding that over the next few centuries as civilization enjoyed the medieval warming period, increased political stability, better roads, and whatnot, there was a rising class of traders who were not, strictly speaking 'noble' but nevertheless prominent and secure. It was the first flowering of a bourgeoisie which took an increasing role in controlling and directing society.
So one might say that first we had the Franks, and after them there were the Burghers.
I'm sick and I need help.
Would you like to restate the question? I do not take instruction on the scriptures from a non believer..His unbelief says he is spiritually blind and unable to rightly discern the scriptures..
YOu either get it or you don't. There is a clue on Alex Murphy's home page.
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