Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
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First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Only in a catholic encyclopedia . The greek has no such rendering.. NO WHERE did Jesus give them permission to pass on any of the special gifts given for the foundation of the church ..no where no how..
No apostolic succession, no papacy , no priesthood in the NT church
Sound doctrine can not be made out of silence .
We’ve witnessed Roman Catholics ignore, dismiss and demean the New Testament with the exclusion of one chapter from Matthew.
Do you mean all of that hooey you told us about being elect and works not mattering was really not true?
Is there more than one of you or are you again speaking in the majestic plural?
Oh, never mind, since Catholics have never done what you allege you must be dragging in an incident from another thread which is against the forum rules. Obey the rules or stay away.
After literally 100s of RC posts about me that didn’t bother to ping me, I’ve decided to join you all in this omission.
1Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, like some people, letters of recommendation to you or from you? 2You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everybody. 3You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
4Such confidence as this is ours through Christ before God. 5Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was, 8will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9If the ministry that condemns men is glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11And if what was fading away came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
12Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. 13We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at it while the radiance was fading away. 14But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
That instruction is made to you and me and all Christians.
Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing" -- 2 Timothy 4:2"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine...
Do you think that advice was only for Timothy? Or for all Christians who "love His appearing?"
Rather than calling themselves Christians, Roman Catholics could well be known as Beatitudeans since they don't seem to read any Scripture but Christ's words telling men how to conduct their daily lives once they have been given faith in Him.
The Beatitudes tell me how to live. They don't tell men why they live.
(2 Tim. 2:2). Faithful men...yes that would mean us and also those that are gifted with teaching. Some are better at teaching than others...but pretty much all of us are called at one time or another to share the Gospel or speak of Christ. We are all "on call".
Gimme a source. My usual 'go to' on this kind of thing is Kittel's Dictionary of the NT, my best ordination present.
I think there is nothing conclusive either way. And apostle is, as it were, a minister plenipotentiary, or an agent. The pathos of the position is more clearly seen when one remembers they had no 'real time' communication in those days. SO when you sent somebody to do your business far away, you had to say, "I will be bound by my agent's commitments," or no business could have been done, no treaties concluded.
And it cannot have been THAT unusual for the "sent" agent to get an infection and croak. A good one would find a good person to complete the mission.
We can take the word "apostle" as missionary. And who among the non-Catholics would say that a missionary could not determine that one whom he had taught was so well-versed in the teaching and so much 'in the way' that the missionary could not, as his own death approached, entrust him with the furtherance of the mission?
So on the grounds of "original intent" I think that the very word "apostle" includes the notion that the commission could be handed on.
The whole problem is the kind of thing you get when one side says, "Of COURSE!" and the other side disagrees. For example, for more than 1,000 years it was not a matter of discussion, it would not have occurred to anyone to wonder, whether two people of the same sex could get married. It was just such a 'common notion' that nobody thought to write explicit laws or canons saying "one each of either sex." In the registers in the Episcopal Church there were check boxes for ONE party that said "widower" or "bachelor" and for the other party "widow" or "spinster." It just never occurred to anyone that they would need to have all four choices for both parties.
I'm saying the matter of apostolic succession it like that. There is no text supporting our idea, I think, because it never occurred to anyone that an apostle, secular or religious, could NOT pass his commission on.
Consequently the lack of enabling text means, to me, no more than the lack of a text saying, "two people of the same sex cannot be married."
I'm not saying "Is that right?" but I am asking, "Is that a clear presentation?"
I count six pretty good reasons why:
• for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
• for they shall be comforted.
• for they shall have their fill.
• for they shall obtain mercy.
• for they shall see God.
• for they shall be called the children of God.
• for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Beatitudeans - Since the beatitudes were unquestioningly authored by Christ Himself I am honored to be called one in His name.
Literally hundreds? Then give links for three.
We say that the Gospels are the pinnacle of God's revelation to man, and that every other revelation, including the rest of Scripture needs to be read through the Gospels.
But the vast majority of the rest of the NT (if not all of it), especially Paul's epistles serve as clarification and explanation of the Gospel books. I don't see how one can read the more specific THROUGH the (in many cases) less specific. I would have to add that when it is said that the rest of scripture must be read through the Gospels what that means to me is that it must be read through the Latin Church's interpretation of the Gospels. Again, it seems backwards to me to interpret the less specific first, and then make the more specific conform. It seems much more natural to me to look at a given Gospel passage and if it is crystal clear then fine, but if not then look to the rest of scripture for context and clarification. All of it is God's word.
If you would consider that the Catechism is read also through the Gospels, you may change your mind as to their usefulness.
I don't understand why the CCC would need to be read through anything at all. With the scriptures we take them as we get them. But with the CCC the Church authority could put anything it wanted to in there, and amend it to make things even more clear and understandable. Why didn't the Church just be plain about everything and make it a stand alone document that doesn't need interpretation? I would think one of the main purposes of the CCC was to BE an interpretation of the Bible.
You keep asking others to do your own homework.
Not only does Rome confine itself to the Beatitudes, it doesn't even understand the Beatitudes.
How would you know Kosta? Who told you that?
God says He has thoughts......
Isaiah 55:7-9
7 Let the wicked forsake his way
and the evil man his thoughts.
Let him turn to the LORD, and he will have mercy on him, and to our God, for he will freely pardon.
8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the LORD.
9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
The funny thing is that Roman Catholics tout “apostolic succession” yet they ignore, dismiss and ridicule the teaching of those same apostles.
Weird.
What next? Are you going to tell us now that God doesn't think?
Have at it. This ought to be good...
Not at all. YOU were the one who stated that “After literally 100s of RC posts about me that didn’t bother to ping me, I’ve decided to join you all in this omission.”
I’m asking you for three links out of “literally hundreds,” because I find that very difficult to believe.
Surely that is not a difficult task. Just pick any three out of “literally hundreds.” After all, everything isn’t about you. Very little is, actually. Although it is possible that you thought “literally hundreds” of posts were about you, when in fact they were not. Perhaps it is a matter of being “thin-skinned.” On an open thread, that is disruptive.
And that's all Catholics concern themselves with is the *how*.
Gotta keep a running tab of the do's and don't's and hope the good outweighs the bad. Otherwise, how would you manage going to confession if you didn't keep a tally?
The Catholic church has made getting to heaven far too complicated.
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