Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Icon/idol, it's all semantics. Either a man falls to his knees to the Triune God alone, or he falls to his knees to the stock of a tree.
So much ignorant balderdash to anyone who’s been intensely and thoroughly touched by Holy Spirit in any viable Roman Catholic Charismatic group.
Thanks ever so much for interpreting scripture for everyone. Sadly, your interpretation is meaningless.
So much ignorant balderdash to anyone who’s been intensely and thoroughly touched by Holy Spirit in any viable Roman Catholic Charismatic group.
Anyone claiming to be an authentic Christian and who
encourages any other Christian to obey man rather than God The Holy Spirit . . .
is likely at least greatly flawed in their Christianity if not wholesale outside the category more or less totally.
Peter once had something definitive about that to say.
I though RC’s respected Peter.
Deu 7:5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.
Deut. 12:3-4: “And you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and burn their wooden images with fire; you shall cut down the carved images of their gods and destroy their names from that place.”You shall not worship the LORD your God with such things.”
Num 33:52 Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places:
Then WHY are Calvinist/Reformed women so darned BOSSY????
And yet they stand unchallenged by Rome's lack of Scriptural evidence.
That fact is telling you something. "Study the Scriptures to show yourself approved."
Feels good, doesn't it? 8~)
As God wills.
But even with these idols being defined as Gods. Would this prohibition of Idols not also apply to any idol of any man or woman, creature etc. that is used in a religious manner? Especially when lighting candles before them...bowing before them, kissing them...and praying to the departed person they supposedly represent...as well as parading their image down the streets and the people bowing even then?
If that is not worship than what would call it?
Hey Silverlings, Dr E . . . et al . . .
The referent post just provided us several more QE2 equivalents worth
of irony
to add to the QE2 pontoons for the bridge from San Diego to Sydney via Hawaii.
I find this command interesting..”You shall not worship the LORD your God with such things.” Pretty clear
LOL LOL.... I think I would say "direct" sounds nicer :)
I'm trying my best to simplify it. Do you understand what an idol is now?
Yes that is correct....and your reason for saying it is not reliable? other than it does not compute with the catholic history you’re familiar with?
My point again...how does one even determine what is authentic history or not...both sides of the issue claim they are right. Catholics will also defend their understanding of their own history...and those who oppose will claim they are correct. Thus it does boil down to someone has to be the final authority in areas which can be established as that.....God’s word then must be that authority.
Nope.
I think that's an accurate reflection of some Reformed thinking.
However it leads to equating man with "everything else" and God as responsible for our choices and sins. There is not a hierarchy of being only a dualism. It leads to looking at ourselves the same as a dog or a tree and works against the truth of relationship - with each other, with the Church, with God.
So while it sounds good on quick hearing, but when we end up in such a place, we realize: somewhere we've made a wrong turn.
Who is “them” and “they” in these passages. Do you say it is Catholics—or anyone who has pictures?
Based on your post and that I’ve seen on the religious threads I have to agree the catholic church is as divided on what they will or not adhere to as the protestants.
The difference I see is the protestants pretty much agree across the board on the basic tenants of the faith. It would seem some catholics do and others do not..the issue of mary is one of them and that of Christ’s position of authority in the church is another...others too but these are most concerning to me because to adhere to these does dethrone Christ from His rightful place...as do some who attach too much to the various idols and images of departed saints etc.
idolators
One has to depend on the principle of objective reality. You have to accept that historical fact is discernible and that not everything is propaganda. If you reject all history, how can you know the origin of the bible?
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