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To: GunsAndBibles
Well, let me give you some background. The bishops, particularly over the past 50 years or so, haven't unilaterally taken their orders from on high in the Vatican. There is much dissent in the ranks of the bishops on a variety of issues, most importantly abortion, homosexuality, contraception, and something as fundamental as Catholic worship. The Catholic Church clearly has teachings on this, but the bishops are either out to lunch on spreading that good news by teaching or they're undermining it. They thumb their noses at the pope, and its made worse by the fact that the Vatican bureaucracy, which deals with such matters in the name of the pope, isn't willing to take disciplinary actions.

Then you get to less fundamental issues such as the death penalty and illegal immigration, where there is room for debate. In the 1st world countries in particular, the bishops and priests have been influenced by liberation theology or just plain socialism/Marxism, and they, like all leftists, place their ideology above their religion, and so their actions on these issues, just in the case of the more fundamental issues, are influenced by their ideology.

It's going to take some strong leadership and some divine intervention to clean up this mess.

75 posted on 08/20/2010 11:37:20 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

I agree in your answer to G&B.
These smarmy throwbacks to liberation theology and “social justice” are vipers.

Again, it is not what they say on this issue but what they hide.

Pope Benedict when he was a Cardinal back in 1981 said of “liberation theology”, that “it is a fundamental threat to the faith of the church”!

These “liberal” priests are wrong when they press the government to “impose” rules of “social justice” on U.S. for the benefit of ILLEGAL INVADERS!
As Pope Benedict said,”Wherever politics tries to be redemptive, it is promising too much. Where it wishes to do the work of God, it becomes not divine, but demonic.”

No amount of Politically Correct jargon or euphemisms can change I.L.L.E.G.A.L. or that misnamed term “anchor baby”!
I suggest “lottery baby”!


79 posted on 08/20/2010 11:55:55 PM PDT by throwabrick (Zer-0 doesn't know what to do! Saul Alinsky never wrote about it.)
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To: Pyro7480
Thanks for the explanation. Really. 'Cause I'd like to believe that there's another reason besides filling pews and coffers, which is the conclusion that seems evident.

Having said that, your explanation indicates that there is a management crisis in the Catholic Church. There is a huge group of US citizens whose quality of life has been degraded by the illegals. We're fed up with it and there's going to be a reckoning.

It would seem that the smart play would be for senior management in your organization to direct middle management and front line workers to take NO position on the issue, or seek other employment.

Perhaps senior management needs to hear this from their consumers - you.

80 posted on 08/21/2010 12:01:41 AM PDT by GunsAndBibles (God save Calif. - 'cause it's gonna take a miracle.)
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