Posted on 07/22/2010 9:04:57 PM PDT by Salvation
The Nicene Creed is the symbol of belief for Christians in all regions and most denominations. The Nicene Creed is also called the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed, because the complete present form of the creed was defined by bishops at the Councils of Nicaea (AD 325) and Constantinople (AD 381). Catholics, Orthodox, and many Protestants accept the ancient Nicene creed. The Nicene creed was written in AD 325 and completed in its present form in AD 381. Over 300 Church leaders from all over the world gathered to write the creed, in response to a heresy called Arianism that denied Jesus was fully God. The Nicene Creed ultimately explains the Church's beliefs about the Trinity, but it also affirms historical realities of Jesus' life. Even though the creed does not directly quote Scripture, it is based on biblical concepts and truths. We have broken the creed down line by line with explanations. This article uses the current official English translation of the Nicene Creed, from the U.S. Catholic Mass. See Appendix below for the revised translation of the Nicene Creed that will soon be used officially in English-speaking countries. We Believe in One GodChristians, like Jews and Muslims, believe that only one God exists. The creed states the assumption of the ancient Shema: Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord. The current English translation of the creed begins with "we" believe, while the Greek, Latin, and upcoming English translation begin with "I" believe. The latter is more accurate, because reciting the creed is ultimately an individual confession of belief, although the creed also expresses the collective beliefs of the Church. The Father, The AlmightyJesus frequently calls God "Father" in the Scriptures, and this usage tells us that God is a loving God active within His creation. God the Father is the first person (Greek hypostasis, "individual reality"), or distinction, within the Godhead. The Father is the "origin" or "source" of the Trinity. As such, God the Father is often called "God Unbegotten" in early Christian thought. Maker of Heaven and Earth, of All That is Seen and UnseenCatholics believe that God created the visible and invisible elements of the cosmos. Thus, God created everything. Some early sects, the Gnostics and Marcionites, believed that God the Father created the spirit world, but that an "evil" god (called the demiurge) created the similarly evil material world. The creed dispels such a notion. We Believe in One Lord Jesus ChristJesus Christ is the Lord of all. The title Lord means that Jesus is master of all, and has connotations of deity, since the Hebrew word adonai and Greek word kyrios (both meaning Lord) were applied to Yahweh in the Old Testament. However, unlike earthly rulers, Jesus is a friend to the oppressed and a servant. The Only Son of GodJesus is in a unique relationship with God the Father. While Hebrew kings were sons of God symbolically (see Psalm 2), Jesus is the only Son of God by nature. |
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Begotten has the meaning of born, generated, or produced. God the Son is born out of the essence of God the Father. Just as a child shares the same humanness as his or her parents, the Son shares the essential nature of God with the Father. Since God is eternal, the Son, being begotten of God, is also eternal. The Son is often called the Only-Begotten God in early Christian literature, including in John 1:18 in many manuscripts.
God the Son exists in relation to God the Father. The Son is not the Father, but they both are God. Just as a torch is lit one to another, the Father and Son are distinct, but both light. Some Christians, called Sabellians or Modalists, said that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were one God who changes roles. So when God creates, he is Father, while on earth, he is Son, and so forth. However, the Scriptures have all three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, interacting at the same time, as shown at Jesus' baptism. The language of Scripture also suggests that the Father and Son are somehow two as well as one. In John's gospel, the Father and Son testify as two witnesses, not one (John 8:17-18). Related to this, St. Athanasius, writing during the Nicene era, reportedly said that the Father and Son are one as "the sight of two eyes is one." Another illustration is the musical chord. Think of a C-chord. The C, E, and G notes are all distinct notes, but joined together as one chord, the sound is richer and more dynamic than had the notes been played individually. The chords are all equally important in producing the full, dynamic, sound of the chord, but the sound is lacking and thin if one of the notes is left out.
God the Son is not a half-god or inferior to God the Father. God the Son is fully and utterly God, distinct from the Father, yet not divided from the Father. The ancient Arians believed that Jesus could be called god but not true God. In other words, they believed the Logos (the "Word," a popular title for Jesus in early Christian literature) was the first creation of God, necessary to mediate between the unknowable distant God (a concept borrowed from Platonic thought) and creation. Because God knew that the Logos would be perfect, the title god could be bestowed upon the Son "by participation," but "true God" was a title reserved only for the unknowable Father. This is the Ante-Nicene "Logos Theology" of St. Justin and Athenagoras taken to an unintended extreme.
Some Christians today (Jehovah's Witnesses) and in the past (Arians) have suggested that God created Jesus like God would an angel. The creed tells us that just as when a woman gives birth she does not create a child out of nothing, being begotten of God, the Son is not created out of nothing. Since the Son's birth from the Father occurred before time was created, begotten refers to a permanent relationship as opposed to an event within time.
God the Father and God the Son are equally divine, united in substance and will. Father and Son share the same substance or essence of divinity. That is, the Father and Son both share the qualities and essential nature that make one in reality God. However, sharing the same substance does not mean they share identity of person. While certainly an inadequate example, think of three humans: they share a common nature, the essential qualities and essence of humanity, but are not the same person (although unlike the persons of the Trinity, humans do not share one will).
The Bible tells us that through The Son, as Word of God, all things have been created. As Logos, the Son is the agent and artificer of creation.
Jesus came from heaven, from a numinous reality other than our own. While the creed says "down," it is important to remember that our language is limited by time and spatiality. Heaven is not "up," just as God is not a biologically male father. However, due to the limits of language, we are forced to describe heaven symbolically and spatially.
God the Son became incarnate in the person of Jesus of Nazareth. He was born of a virgin through the Holy Spirit. God truly became human in Jesus Christ. Catholics believe that Jesus of Nazareth was and is a real human being, not simply a spirit or ghost. The incarnation of God in Christ is the ultimate act of love, because rather than sending an angel or good human to accomplish the redemption and restoration of creation, God Himself became human. Some religious groups denied that Jesus was born of a virgin, such as the Jewish-influenced Ebionites. The virgin birth seems to be the first doctrine many modern day skeptics reject. Even today, many who say the creed weekly do not believe Mary was a virgin. However, the Catholic Church teaches that the virgin birth is still dogma, i.e. an essential belief.
Jesus died on a cross, suffered as humans do, truly died, and was laid in a tomb. Despite what some critics will level against it, the Nicene Creed is more than just metaphysical speculation, and includes important historical confessions. Notice that in addition to being "true God from true God," Jesus is fully human as well. The early Docetists, named from the Greek word dokeo, "to seem," believed Jesus only seemed to be human, but was not, and simply went through the motions of being human. Thus, when Jesus ate, they said, he only pretended to eat. Docetism was a very early heresy, addressed by the Gospel and Letters of St. John, as well as in St. Ignatius' letters in AD 110.
Jesus was resurrected bodily as the Scriptures say. Just as Jesus truly died, he truly rose from the dead three days later. The bodily resurrection is the keystone of Christian doctrine and experience. However, Jesus was not just physically resuscitated (as was Lazarus), but rather his body was transformed at the resurrection. Rejection of the bodily resurrection is a rejection of the foundation of Catholic Christianity.
In ancient science, heaven was thought to be situated above the sky dome (notice how on a starry night the sky looks like a dome that one could pierce through, if one could get that high, e.g. by building a large tower). So in the Scriptures, Jesus is said to ascend to heaven. Whatever happened that day, Luke had to render the event into his own scientific paradigm, so he said Jesus "went up" to heaven. Again, we are limited by our language and experience of spatiality. Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, i.e. sharing authority with the Father, and not literally sitting next to the Father.
Jesus is coming again to righteously judge the living and dead. His kingdom cannot be destroyed, despite all of humanity's efforts. The creed says Jesus is coming; it does not say when or how, nor does it say to speculate on the date of his return or make money doing so!
The Holy Spirit is also called "Lord." The Holy Spirit sustains our lives as Christians, illuminating us after the new birth. The original Creed of Nicaea simply ended with "We believe in the Holy Spirit." The other additions were approved at the Council of Constantinople in AD 381. However, most scholars believe that the text of the full creed dates prior to this council, and that the bishops simply gave their approval to a local creed already in use. The reason these additions were included in the Nicene Creed is that some Christians of the 4th century denied the full divinity of the Holy Spirit. The names given to these heretics were Macedonians (named after a heretical bishop) or pneumatomachi ("fighters against the Spirit").
The Son is said to be begotten, while the Spirit is said to proceed. Both words convey that the Son and Spirit are in special relationships to the Father, yet also fully divine. The phrase "and the Son," in Latin, filioque, was not in the original text of the creed, but was added in many Western Churches. The addition likely developed over time as a tool against Arians in the Gothic lands. There are theological and historical justifications for the addition or exclusion of the filioque. The Eastern Churches oppose the addition of the filioque, while many Western churches accept it. Actually, despite current division on the matter, the issue has been pretty much theologically resolved. The Catholic Church acknowledges that the Father is the sole source within the Trinity, and admits that "proceeds from the Father and the Son" means "proceeds from the Father through the Son." Catholics also acknowledge that the procession through the Son is not metaphysical, but economic (i.e. describing the Spirit's actions). Also, Eastern Catholics (those Eastern Churches in communion with Rome) do not say the filioque, and remain in full communion with the Catholic Church. The Eastern Orthodox Churches seem willing to allow the interpretation "through the Son," because it does not destroy the monarchy of the Father within the Holy Trinity. However, the filioque remains a major division between Eastern and Western Christianity, mainly because the Western Church added the filioque to the Nicene Creed without Eastern input. It is hoped that this issue will be resolved in the future, as the current environment is far less political than in the past.
The Holy Spirit is God as are the Father and the Son, and worthy of the same worship due to the Father and the Son.
The Spirit inspired the prophets of old, and inspires the Church today.
The creed requires belief in the Catholic (universal) Church, whose origins are ancient and historical, going back to the Apostles themselves. Thus, the Church was built upon the faith and witness of the apostles. This witness survives through Apostolic Succession, wherein apostles appointed leaders, who themselves appointed leaders, a process continuing to this day. This Apostolic line survives today primarily in the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. The Church is "holy" on account of Christ's holiness and grace, and not because its members or leaders are perfect. In fact, at times throughout history, the Church has remained holy in spite of its members.
Catholics believe that sacramentally, through the waters of baptism, God forgives us of our sins, and we are born again. This belief in baptism's saving power is ancient and universally acknowledged in the early Christian writings. If someone has been validly baptized in the name of the Trinity, then that baptism has definitely "taken" and re-baptism is unnecessary.
Christians always hope for the end of this fractured system, when the universe is fully reconciled to God in Christ Jesus. The Nicene Creed seems to affirm both the existence of a soul-filled heaven and the later resurrection of the dead when soul meets glorified body.
We hope you enjoyed this primer on the Nicene Creed. Remember that the Nicene Creed, besides being rooted in Scriptural concepts, is a product of Christian worship and prayer. For example, even before the Nicene Creed was written, Christians regularly baptized converts into the name of the Trinity, and prayed to the Father in the name of the Son, through the Holy Spirit. Being born from prayer and experience, the creed tries not to define God's nature exactly and precisely like a science textbook would describe something. God's exact nature, such as His threeness and His oneness, is something that we are able to begin to grasp, but never fully comprehend. Just as the mind cannot fully comprehend love or joy, neither can the mind fully comprehend God, whose nature and ways are ultimately beyond our comprehension. As such, while the creed is an authoritative framework, it is rooted in mystery. So if someone says he or she fully understands the Trinity, chances are, that person has no clue what the Trinity is actually about. Since the Nicene Creed is rooted in worship and prayer, besides being believed, it is to be lived out. In this vein, please take a look at Prayers to the Trinity.
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit
was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake
he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven and is seated
at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord,
the giver of life, who proceeds
from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son
is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
And one, holy, catholic
and apostolic Church.
I confess one baptism
for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection
of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen
fortheDecaration:
Again, you are a typical Protestant Fundy in that “You” are the sole authority of truth when it becomes to the Bible and Doctrine. Did you take a philosophy class in College? God from God means Christ and the Father are of the same Divine Substance, not a different Substance. The distinctions relate to Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, yet all are of the same Divine Substance.
I said I was done debating the Nicene Creed, go back and read what I said. I don’t follow Traditions of the men, you do, the traditions of some backwoods Pastor who came up with some interpretation of scripture in the 19th century in wherever rural U.S, and now you question the Nicene Creed.
The Bible is the sole authority. Says Who??????????? You? O.K. Mr. Fundy Baptist, show me where it says “The Bible is the final authority for every believer, not the traditions of men” in the Sacred Scripture and no, 2 Timothy 3:16 ain’t gonna cut it. It does not say what you want it to say. Furthermore, St. Paul writes that the Church is the “pillar and foundation of Truth” (1 Tim 3:15) which contradicts your position of Fundalmentalist “Sola Scriptura”
Further more, Tradition is not bad, for all it means is “to pass on”. So lets take the passage you cite from St. Mark.
making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye’(Mk.7:13)
Your KJ citation does not reject Tradition. It rejcts Traditions of Man that reject God’s Word, which are just that Traditions of Man that are not rooted in the revelation of Christ. Tradition in and of itself is not bad. I am sure you celebrate July 4th, Memorial day in a certain fashion that was passed down from your Granfather, Father, etc. that, defacto is “Tradition”, and it in no way contradicts the Word of God.
For that matter, St. Paul states “Therefore brothers, stand firm and hold to the Traditions that you were taught, by and oral statement or letter of ours” (cf. 2 Thes 3:16). St. Paul as the notion of Tradition in mind when he writes “For I received from the Lord what I handed on to You...” (cf. 1 Cor 11:23), since none of the NT Gospels had been written yet. St. Paul received the Tradition of the Eucharist from the Lord via the Apostles and the Church.
In addition, I find it interesting that “Tradition” is used when Fundamentalist types, such as yourself, when citing a passage that “you think” rejects Tradition, i.e. when you cite Mk 7:13. However, the NIV and KJ versions use the word “teachings” when citing 2 Thes 3:16 when the words are the same. Why the difference in citing? hmmmmmmmmm
Again, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all Co-Eternal in their Divinity. You have it wrong and will not admit it. The Catholic Church has never, does not now, and will never teach anything But ONE GOD. Period. God From God means Christ is the same Substance and was not a lesser substance that the Father, which is what Arius taught. Back to the phrase eternally begotten, that put to rest any form of subordinationism.
So my eyes are wide open, you need to stop thinking Christianity and Doctrine started with “you reading the Bible” You say you are concerned with what the Scriptures teach.. which again means I am concerned with what I intepret them to teach.
Did you take English in College?
If God is coming from God you have two God's, no matter what substance they are.
The personal distinctions have nothing to do with anyone begetting anyone in eternity.
I said I was done debating the Nicene Creed, go back and read what I said. I dont follow Traditions of the men, you do, the traditions of some backwoods Pastor who came up with some interpretation of scripture in the 19th century in wherever rural U.S, and now you question the Nicene Creed.
No need to go back to anything you said, the Creed is very clear, it has the Son coming from the Father in eternity, which means there was a moment in time that the Son didn't exist.
The Bible is the sole authority. Says Who??????????? You? O.K. Mr. Fundy Baptist, show me where it says The Bible is the final authority for every believer, not the traditions of men in the Sacred Scripture and no, 2 Timothy 3:16 aint gonna cut it. It does not say what you want it to say. Furthermore, St. Paul writes that the Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth (1 Tim 3:15) which contradicts your position of Fundalmentalist Sola Scriptura
Paul wasn't speaking about the Roman Catholic Church which denies the doctrines he wrote about, salvation by faith without works.
John did mention your 'church' in Rev.17 however, not a good ending for it.
Further more, Tradition is not bad, for all it means is to pass on. So lets take the passage you cite from St. Mark. making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye(Mk.7:13) Your KJ citation does not reject Tradition. It rejcts Traditions of Man that reject Gods Word, which are just that Traditions of Man that are not rooted in the revelation of Christ. Tradition in and of itself is not bad. I am sure you celebrate July 4th, Memorial day in a certain fashion that was passed down from your Granfather, Father, etc. that, defacto is Tradition, and it in no way contradicts the Word of God.
Traditions are bad when they are substituted for the word of God, and that was Christ was rebuking the Pharisee's for.
No different then your 'church' does.
For that matter, St. Paul states Therefore brothers, stand firm and hold to the Traditions that you were taught, by and oral statement or letter of ours (cf. 2 Thes 3:16). St. Paul as the notion of Tradition in mind when he writes For I received from the Lord what I handed on to You... (cf. 1 Cor 11:23), since none of the NT Gospels had been written yet. St. Paul received the Tradition of the Eucharist from the Lord via the Apostles and the Church.
The 'traditions' that Paul refers to are the ones he was instructing the Thessalonians to obey the traditions that he taught them (2Thess.3:6).
No such nonsense of the 'Eucharist' in the early centuries of the church.
In addition, I find it interesting that Tradition is used when Fundamentalist types, such as yourself, when citing a passage that you think rejects Tradition, i.e. when you cite Mk 7:13. However, the NIV and KJ versions use the word teachings when citing 2 Thes 3:16 when the words are the same. Why the difference in citing? hmmmmmmmmm
I cited the KJB, that is why tradition is the correct word.
But the Roman Catholic Douay-Rheims has tradition, not teachings, as well.
Again, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all Co-Eternal in their Divinity. You have it wrong and will not admit it. The Catholic Church has never, does not now, and will never teach anything But ONE GOD. Period. God From God means Christ is the same Substance and was not a lesser substance that the Father, which is what Arius taught. Back to the phrase eternally begotten, that put to rest any form of subordinationism.
Now, how can they be co-eternal if one is coming from the other?
Throwing in words, doesn't change what is being said in substance.
The Nicene Creed is teaching two God's, by stating that 'God came from God'.
That they are the same substance is irrelevant to that fact.
The fact that Arius taught that they had a different substance is also irrelevant.
What is relevant is that the Nicene Creed is teaching that God 2 came from God 1
You just can't add one plus one.
Your 'church' tells you not to believe what the Creed actually is saying, and you just blindly obey.
You would even deny that 1 and 1 equals two.
So my eyes are wide open, you need to stop thinking Christianity and Doctrine started with you reading the Bible You say you are concerned with what the Scriptures teach.. which again means I am concerned with what I intepret them to teach.
You are as blind as the Pharisse's who claimed they could see (Jn.9:41)
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
I didn’t make the thread ‘about’ any individual Freepers.
This is the post I received, and you send me a warning about making it 'about' individual Freepers?
It is based on the principle that two wrongs don't make a right.
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