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To: the_conscience

I hope this is not trashing. From the article
“We believe in one God, true, Almighty, and in three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; the Father unbegotten, the Son begotten of the Father before the world, consubstantial with the Father; the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father by the Son, having the same essence with the Father and the son. We call these three persons in one essence the Holy Trinity, ever to be blessed, glorified, and worshipped by every creature.”

One of the biggest causes of schism remaining between the Eastern Church and the Western Church is the Filoque clause added to the Nicene Creed in the West. I wonder if the Nicene Creed in the Western Church was changed to state “the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father by the Son,” if that would correctly reflect both Eastern and Western universal teachings on the Holy Spirit and end the Filoque controversy?


5 posted on 07/22/2010 11:26:05 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: lastchance

Good question!


6 posted on 07/22/2010 11:28:22 AM PDT by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: lastchance
There have been several attempts at rewording the Creed, such as the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father through the Son. The disagreement between the East and West is the difference between origin and agent. The West, in order to safeguard the divinity of Christ, added the Filioque. It makes the Son and the Father the origin of the Holy Spirit. The East places the origin of the Son and the Holy Spirit from the Father alone. Jesus is the agent of the Spirit, namely, he sends the Spirit.
14 posted on 07/22/2010 12:10:30 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: lastchance
Just removing the filioque clause is not sufficient. The Orthodox argue (and in my, Catholic, opinion, correctly) that any update or even clarification (which the filioque is supposed to be as it was added by Iberian priests to combat the Arianism of their Visigothic rulers in the 6th and 7th centuries) should only be done in an Ecumenical council in which all the bishops from the Apostolic sees should be present.

I think that's a fair statement. Even though both sides MEAN the same thing, any update or clarification should be done in council
115 posted on 07/23/2010 7:34:25 AM PDT by Cronos (Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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