The Confession of Cyril Lucaris

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[Religion Moderator]

You are correct.

Those who believe in the Rapture (mostly but not exclusively Protestant) wanted to caucus so they could discuss their beliefs and current events without interference from the Preterists, etc. It is a successful caucus because it does not contrast the belief in the rapture to alternative beliefs.

The LDS caucuses are also peaceful gatherings to discuss LDS beliefs, history and current events without interference from those who are against LDS beliefs.

Generally, reformed and restored beliefs are fine for caucuses as long as they avoid the theological origin.

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

Unless you are among those Baptists who insist they are not Protestant.

Most certainly I am. Catholicism, in fact, is a deviation from apostolic Baptists.

[Lorica]

The overwhelming majority of non-Catholic posters are great, there is a small cadre of ANTI-Catholics who seem to have few interests other than attacking Catholicism.

Yes, which is why I knew it was important to make that clarification.

[wagglebee]

Excellent post and you bring up a lot of good points.

Let’s say there was a Southern Baptist/Catholic Caucus and they were allowed to debate the Real Presence. Southern Baptists typically deny the Real Presence, while Catholics believe it. However, Orthodox beliefs on the Real Presence are IDENTICAL to Catholic beliefs, would it be fair to exclude the Orthodox?

[Religion Moderator]

A relevant example considering the ebb and flow of this Religion Forum would be an "LDS/Catholic Caucus" to discuss Trinitarianism.

The LDS do not believe in the Trinity, the Catholics do - but both LDS and Catholic beliefs are subjected to intense challenges and ridicule on "open" town square format RF threads.

The LDS and Catholic posters may have a real interest in debating the doctrine of the Trinity without the interference of the "antis."

It is a valid caucus provided the article and replies do not contrast beliefs with the non-members, e.g. Protestants.

[Religion Moderator]

Yes, see post 125. The desire for a peaceful assembly is sufficient cause to form a caucus.

[wagglebee]

I suppose that makes sense; however, would the opening post be allowed to say, “Protestants don’t trash this thread”?

[trisham]

Watching you all discuss this issue is one of the most interesting and illuminating experiences I’ve had on the Religion forum in some time. It reminds me of why I first began dropping in here.

Thank you all.

[wagglebee]

It reminds me of why I first began dropping in here.

For a second there I thought you were going to say it reminded you of the first time you got drunk. :-)

[trisham]

LOL! It may drive me to drink. :)

[Lorica]

I’d amend that to say ...the first time you wore 3-D movie glasses. Or watched Who’s on First. :D

[trisham]

Or got seasick? :)

[Lorica]

I’ve never been seasick. Carsick, though.

[Cronos]

tc is attempting to seek common ground with the Orthodox. This is not possible for Calvinists to do so as besides faith in Christ they have little in common. The Orthodox don't hate the Pope like the Calvinists do -- they dispute his administrative authority but have no doubts to his spiritual position of respect.

I have no issue with Protestants "discovering" the Orthodox and joining that branch of the Apostolic Church (overcoming the historical antagonisms against the Catholic CHurch may be difficult for most).

[wmfights]

Catholicism, in fact, is a deviation from apostolic Baptists.

Amen, Brother.

It's not hard to see the truth of this in Scripture if one takes the blinders off.

[sitetest]

Dear Religion Moderator,

“It is a valid caucus provided the article and replies do not contrast beliefs with the non-members, e.g. Protestants.”

So - in such a caucus, if LDS folks started offering explicit arguments against the doctrine of the Trinity, even though these explicit arguments would be against the fundamental beliefs of all Orthodox and most Protestants, they couldn't participate??

sitetest

[Cronos]

Lucaris was a hero. Just think how the world would have blossomed if his reformed teachings had taken hold among the Orthodox.

Aye-aye-aye. Then today Greece, Romania, Serbia, etc. would be as irreligious as Calvinist Switzerland

[Religion Moderator]

No, that post would have to be removed to sustain the caucus.

[Cronos]

it's impossible to have a "Protestant" caucus. you can have a "Lutheran" or "Calvinist" or "Arminian" (I've seen the latter two a long time ago) or "Anglican" or "pente-costal", but "protestant" is too umbrella a term when it means "anyone who ain't part of the Apostolic Church" since these "Protestants" have nothing else in common besides their hatred of the Apostolic Church

What is hilarious about this thread is that it tries to make common cause with the Orthodox who are, in their theology, strongly anti-Calvinist, lutheran, Zwingli etc. in thought. The Calvinists also misconstrue Orthodox opposition to the Papacy. The Orthodox say "ok, the Pope of Rome is the first among equals, but the other Patriarchs are of equal standing, just that the Pope gets first of respect, but he can't dictate no terms to us" (apologies for the colloquialisms) while the Calvinists say "e's der Anti-Christus.", quite different in understanding...

[Salvation]

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