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To: xone
I thought you were talking about the milkmaids, not the Catholic Church, for it was pride and greed that fueled the CC during that period. Greed for the indulgence money, and pride for not admitting the sinfulness of it at the time when called. But Pharoah's heart was hardened.

I was talking about the reasons for attempting and succeeding. Martin Luther started his efforts for one reason, but the only reason for success was the opportunists of the German princes seeing that the opening was there for themselves. The Lutheran revolution spread as the successes increased. The German princes didn't care about God; they cared about power.

Martin Luther came to love luxury and wealth. No monasticism for him. That was his drug, just as Calvin loved power and control and Zwingli got to pursue his mystical boy soldier ways until he was killed, leaving his Reformation faction without a protector, and by the way, leaving them open to the predations of the other two main factions (which came across the Atlantic to the United States and continued in an increased frenzy, leading to the 1st Amendment).

6,325 posted on 08/04/2010 5:42:16 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Martin Luther came to love luxury and wealth. No monasticism for him.

Quite a reach from monasticism to luxury and wealth. Even by the standards of that day I doubt Luther was wealthy or living in luxury. But a post needs a good whippin' boy. A shepherd is worthy of his pay.

6,328 posted on 08/04/2010 5:52:20 AM PDT by xone
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To: MarkBsnr
Martin Luther came to love luxury and wealth. No monasticism for him. That was his drug, just as Calvin loved power and control and Zwingli got to pursue his mystical boy soldier ways until he was killed, leaving his Reformation faction without a protector, and by the way, leaving them open to the predations of the other two main factions (which came across the Atlantic to the United States and continued in an increased frenzy, leading to the 1st Amendment).

Wild and false motivations you ascribe to the reformers, just make you look silly and less likely to be taken seriously.

6,331 posted on 08/04/2010 5:57:22 AM PDT by bkaycee
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