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To: MarkBsnr
What is the significance here? Paul had to present himself to Peter for acceptance.

Ya right...Jesus told Paul to ask Peter if he could be an Apostle...Keep it up...You guys are killing me...

Why was Peter the only human being to walk on the water?

Because he was the one on the end of the boat closest to Jesus...When the other Apostles saw Peter sinking, they wanted no part of it...

Fact is, Peter had very little faith for a supreme leader...John would not have sank...Peter was used as a (bad) example...

Why was Peter instructed alone to 'feed my sheep'?

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

1Pe 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

The Holy Ghost expected the Elders to feed the flock...Peter instructed other Elders to feed the flock...Everyone who is over the flocks of the church are to feed the church...

he went on to lead the fledgling Church and his successors have brought it to the point where it is today.

And Alice climbed back up out of the rabbit hole...

Paul led the church...Peter went on out into obscurity with the instruction to teach the Jews, who were relatively few in number...

But yes, the followers of Peter, who left the scene, built a religion regardless of what the scripture says...They couldn't back up their religion with scripture so they invented some, and took over pagan rituals and superstitions and you are part of what it is today...

4,796 posted on 07/31/2010 9:09:34 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool; MarkBsnr; Jvette; Mad Dawg; NYer; narses

“...the followers of Peter...built a religion regardless of what the scripture says...They couldn’t back up their religion with scripture so they invented some, and took over pagan rituals and superstitions and you are part of what it is today...”

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Nonsense. There are tons of Scriptures that back up Catholic doctrine.

Just for starters:

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/

(over 2,000 Scripture selections at this site alone which defend Catholic teaching)

http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2008/05/biblical-evidence-and-exegetical-series.html

This one has so much information, I hardly know where to start.

Enjoy!


4,815 posted on 07/31/2010 9:39:38 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Iscool
the followers of Peter,

Yeah and even tweaked him from married to unmarried. With all the changes, maybe the Pope will get married soon to fit in with Peter.

Peter never wore that Roman headgear the Pope wears and a ring - nor did Jesus. I think they are copying King Herod with the dress, ring, pomp and circumstance, all their decrees and castles of marble to live in.

Yep, Jesus washed the feet of his apostles and The Pope followers are to genuflect and kiss his ring!

took over pagan rituals

How right you are!
4,826 posted on 07/31/2010 10:19:13 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Iscool
Paul led the church...Peter went on out into obscurity with the instruction to teach the Jews, who were relatively few in number...

1. +Paul died in Rome as well.
2. +Paul never "led the Church" -- he was an important missionary -- to the gentiles, yes,
3. 1st century Christianity was still heavily Jewish and would remain so until the fall of the second temple in 69 AD. According to the Church History, written by Eusebius, the line of Jewish Christian bishops of Jerusalem ended after the Bar Kokhba revolt (132-136) when Hadrian renamed the city "Aelia Capitolina" and barred all Jews except for the day of Tisha B'Av. After that, the Jerusalem bishops were gentiles.
4,874 posted on 08/01/2010 3:00:55 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Iscool
Ya right...Jesus told Paul to ask Peter if he could be an Apostle...Keep it up...You guys are killing me...

Nope; he went to Jerusalem to present his bona fides to Peter. He also saw James, who was bishop. If James was the primus, he would have presented them to James instead. Why was Peter the only human being to walk on the water?

Because he was the one on the end of the boat closest to Jesus

Matthew 14: 25 During the fourth watch of the night, 8 he came toward them, walking on the sea. 26 When the disciples saw him walking on the sea they were terrified. "It is a ghost," they said, and they cried out in fear. 27 At once (Jesus) spoke to them, "Take courage, it is I; 9 do not be afraid." 28 Peter said to him in reply, "Lord, if it is you, command me to come to you on the water." 29 He said, "Come." Peter got out of the boat and began to walk on the water toward Jesus. 30 But when he saw how (strong) the wind was he became frightened; and, beginning to sink, he cried out, "Lord, save me!" 31 Immediately Jesus stretched out his hand and caught him, and said to him, "O you of little faith, 10 why did you doubt?" 32 After they got into the boat, the wind died down.

Nope, you are wrong (why is it that you are so wrong so much of the time?). Scripture says nothing about Peter being nearest. Peter was, however, the bravest and had the most faith of any of them.

John would not have sank

John was the youngest and most probably the most afraid of all.

Peter was used as a (bad) example...

Peter was the only one who got up off of his seat and actually did something. Hardly a bad example. Peter's courage and his faith exceeded all the rest.

The Holy Ghost expected the Elders to feed the flock...Peter instructed other Elders to feed the flock...Everyone who is over the flocks of the church are to feed the church...

Answer the question. Peter was only one instructed by Jesus to feed Jesus' sheep. Peter delegated that to those under him because he had the authority as the steward of Jesus Christ. Peter was given the instruction and the authority by God. Peter then instructs us in 1 Peter. Paul, as a bishop, is also given that responsibility and authority. Remember that it is Paul who had to come to Jerusalem in Acts 9 in order to have the acceptance of the Apostles. So Paul was so loud and stirred up so much agitation that the Apostles, fearing for his life, sent him to Tarsus. Paul was never in charge of the Church - that was not his role.

Paul led the church...Peter went on out into obscurity with the instruction to teach the Jews, who were relatively few in number...

Read Acts. Read Galatians. Paul is subordinate to the Council.

But yes, the followers of Peter, who left the scene, built a religion regardless of what the scripture says...They couldn't back up their religion with scripture so they invented some, and took over pagan rituals and superstitions and you are part of what it is today...

We don't have a religion. It is you guys that have invented them. We got our instruction from the Lord Jesus Christ and from the Holy Spirit beginning with Pentecost. Paul was a great man, a great Apostle, and the super salesman of the Church to the Greeks, but he was never the steward of the Church.

5,014 posted on 08/01/2010 1:00:51 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Iscool; MarkBsnr

“John would not have sank” —> how exactly do you know that?


5,079 posted on 08/01/2010 2:14:02 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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