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To: Mad Dawg
God has committed to her the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is his will, that we obtain everything through Mary.- and the little bit you left out was "And likewise in our own day, Mary, with the ever merciful affection so characteristic of her maternal heart, wishes,through her efficacious intercession with God, to deliver her children from the sad and grief-laden troubles, from the tribulations, the anxiety, the difficulties, and the punishments of God's anger which afflict the world because of the sins of men. Wishing to restrain and to dispel the violent hurricane of evils which, as We lament from the bottom of Our heart, are everywhere afflicting the Church, Mary desires to transform Our sadness into joy. The foundation of all Our confidence, as you know well, Venerable Brethren, is found in the Blessed Virgin Mary

Then explain this to me, Mad Dawg. Is "The Blessed Virgin Mary" the "foundation of all our confidence" if you are Catholic. Or is it Jesus Christ?

2,372 posted on 07/26/2010 6:00:22 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: small voice in the wilderness
Look at the text and at my earlier post, please:

The foundation of my house is found in the ground, in Albemarle county. The foundation of my house is neither the ground nor Albemarle county.

IF I said (as I just did) the foundation of my house is found in the ground, and somebody said, "Are you saying your house's foundation is the ground?" you'd think he was being silly.

Yet if I say that this honorific statement is appropriate to Mary because Jesus was found in her - literally so for 9 months, give or take, I am asked to clarify that I do not think that she IN which the foundation is found is herself the foundation. And then, as like as not, i will be accused of rationalizing because I am saying something my accuser never thought of before, in his haste to condemn what he thinks is mariolatry..

It seems that despite the councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon, many non-Catholics balk at calling Mary the Theotokos -"Mother of God." What's quite understandable about that is that it is am amazing thing to say. The whole Incarnation, the whole work of Christ is more mind-boggling the more one thinks about it.

But, when a big wave comes in, some body surfers run for shore. Others rejoice to be lifted up and swept in by the big wave.

We rejoice to think that a mere creature, herself begotten in a bed, was deemed and made fit by Grace to be the new Ark of the New Covenant, the New Jerusalem in which God Himself was pleased to dwell, the New Dawn heralding the coming of the Light far greater than herself.... and so on.

We see how the beautiful can produce or lead to or 'announce' something even more beautiful, as the beautiful love between husband and wife produces (not without a critical assist from God) a new soul, a new candidate for redemption.

And it gives us delight, we think fitting delight, to find new ways to express this wonderful, generous, miraculous truth.

Because never in a birth about which people rejoice did a mother bring a head to birth without also presenting the body as well, so we think of Mary as our mother, because we comprise the Body of Which Jesus is the Head.

As I thank my wife for her part in producing our daughter, we thank Mary for her part in producing our Savior.

It is a great wave which seems to spend a long time at it's apex, so that we can enjoy for centuries the delight in the gift of God that His son would be one born of women
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Now, will you tell me that Jesus meant himself to be taken literally and exactly when He, born of woman, said no one born of woman was greater than John the Baptist?

2,385 posted on 07/26/2010 6:24:22 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: small voice in the wilderness

Sigh — the foundation of Our Confidence is Christ, who was/is found in Mary’s womb. Mary is the ark, the bearer of God. God is the source of our Confidence.


2,581 posted on 07/26/2010 11:47:03 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit)
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