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To: caww
Traditions handed down from generation to generation does not come close to the real deal in Christ and His written word.

Christ never told his apostles to write anything down. He did, however, command them to TEACH all nations. He made Peter the "Rock" upon which He would build His Church, gave Peter the Keys of the Kingdom and told him that WHATEVER he would bind on Earth would be bound in Heaven.
Peter passed this Apostolic authority down to his successors, the popes of the Catholic Church. "Catholic" is from the Greek for "universal".

By the way, we wouldn't even have the New Testament if the Church had not compiled the various books and determined that they, and they alone, were the inspired canon of Scripture.

http://www.holyspiritinteractive.net/columns/markshea/sheavings/34.asp
2,358 posted on 07/26/2010 4:52:09 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Deo volente; caww
Interesting. Maybe you wlll find this interesting, too:

The early Christians received the Bible from The Holy Spirit, who inspired it, not from the Roman Catholic Church.

But don't listen to me. Listen to what the "OFFICIAL TEACHINGS of the Roman Catholic Church" says in regard to both the Old Testament and New Testament books of the Bible:

"These books the church holds to be sacred and canonical not because she subsequently approved them by her authority after they had been composed by unaided human skill, nor simply because they contain revelation without error, but because, being written under the inspiration of the holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and were as such committed to the church". - First Vatican Council. (emphasis added by me for clarity).

2,363 posted on 07/26/2010 5:26:50 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Deo volente
I do realize those of the catholic faith believe what you posted. But I do not see Peter as “the Rock” rather “Christ Jesus” as the head of the church. You believe that the Apostolic authority was handed down to your church...I do not. You believe the ‘Catholic Church” denomination is the “universal” church. I do not, rather that Christ's church are all the believers who have found new life in Christ and are united thru His Spirit as One in Him. Regardless of their church affiliation.

We wouldn't have the New Testament if it weren't for Christ...and the Holy Spirit who moved men to write. It is His words to us not the churches. And frankly we wouldn't have the scriptures...old or new...if it weren't for the Jews....If any deserve the credit for what we have to day from days gone by, it is the Jewish Nation who carefully transcribed and handed down the text. The new testament stands on the old testament.

All through the Old Testament we read "Messiah is coming"...the Gospels cry out..." He is Here"....Revelations tells us.."He is coming Again". The entire scriptures are all about Christ from beginning to end...not the catholic church...rather all those who looked for Him to come, who believed in Him when He was here...and those who would believe in Him in the future....and the Jews travel throughout both testaments as well.

The path of how the New Testament was transcribed and given to us is secondary to the author and finisher of our faith Christ Jesus. Frankly I am pleased that the Lord God saw to it that we have it today and it has endured way beyond anything the catholic church might have had a hand in. What is significant is that we have it and the Holy Spirit uses it as our compass thru life and our understanding of Gods will.

2,379 posted on 07/26/2010 6:11:18 PM PDT by caww
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To: Deo volente

2,436 posted on 07/26/2010 8:30:04 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Deo volente; caww
"Traditions handed down from generation to generation does not come close to the real deal in Christ and His written word."

"... He made Peter the "Rock" upon which He would build His Church, ..."

Please note this is not what the Catholic Church teaches.

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

424. "Moved by the grace of the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.'[Mt 16:16 .] On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church.[Cf. Mt 16:18; St. Leo the Great, Sermo 4 3: PL 54,150 - 152; 51,1: PL 54, 309B; 62, 2: PL 54, 350-351; 83, 3: PL 54, 431-432.] 'To preach. . . the unsearchable riches of Christ'[Eph 3:8.]"

552. "Simon Peter holds the first place in the college of the Twelve;[Cf Mk 3:16 ; Mk 9:2; Lk 24:34 ; 1 Cor 15:5.] Jesus entrusted a unique mission to him. Through a revelation from the Father, Peter had confessed: 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' Our Lord then declared to him: 'You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.'[Mt 16:18 .] Christ, the 'living Stone',[1 Pet 2:4.] thus assures his Church, built on Peter, of victory over the powers of death. Because of the faith he confessed Peter will remain the unshakable rock of the Church. His mission will be to keep this faith from every lapse and to strengthen his brothers in it.[Cf. Lk 22:32 .]"

According to the CCC (Infallible-Yes?) the Church was built on the rock of the faith confessed by Peter never upon Peter himself.

Oh, and "universal" is small "c" catholic.

2,637 posted on 07/27/2010 11:02:21 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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