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To: the_conscience
Irrespective of the mischaracterization of the Reformation position, what you failed to account for was the doctrine of Original Sin.

The Apostolic Church, via Augustine, and against the Pelegians, taught the total corruption of the imago dei that required an all encompassing grace to overcome.

When Rome returned to the Pelegian heresy it lost the essential aspect of the gospel which is God's love shown through free grace.

AMEN!

The RCC used to be somewhat Augustinian. But it, too, has succumbed to the me-ism of a synergistic theology that says God merely offers salvation, but that it is man who elects himself by his good works.

Which, as you've said, denies the Gospel and demotes free grace to wages earned.

"But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:

Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;" -- 2 Corinthians 1:9-10


2,310 posted on 07/26/2010 3:15:14 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

and you haven’t answered the question — you said you wouldn’t worship in a Church that had icons, the Eucharists, the Crucifix. And yet Protestant groups like the Traditional Lutherans and Anglicans have these. Would you reject them too?


2,323 posted on 07/26/2010 3:27:55 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; the_conscience
"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt." (Romans 4:4).

I'm pretty sure God is not interested in being in DEBT to a "worker".

2,330 posted on 07/26/2010 3:46:29 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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