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To: OLD REGGIE
""If" is a big word and in the question you responded to it was purely hypothetical since no one on this thread was called a "Mary Worshipper"."

Juvenile graphics aside, I didn't direct the comment at any individual Freeper. However, whomsoever calls a Catholic a "Mary Worshipper" is indeed a liar.

2,028 posted on 07/25/2010 2:11:50 PM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Natural Law; OLD REGGIE; metmom; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; ...
. . . EVIDENTLY . . .

The rabid cliques hereon have established a new level of brazen haughty ostentaciousness . . .

either claiming to have personal first hand accurate and professional knowledge of the hearts and lives of over a billion Roman Catholics . . .

OR

BRAZENLY ASSUMING that all such persons have not a shred of idolatry in their lives--at least toward Mary.

INCREDIBLE.

And such folks want us to still consider them AND THEIR THEOLOGY

RATIONAL!

GUFFAWS TO THE MAX.

Thankfully, most Pentecostals would likely not make such a claim about 100% of their local congregations in terms of idolatry toward SOMETHING or someone.

I guess that's normal. Most Pentecostals are at least 100% MORE HONEST with themselves and others about their beliefs and flaws than seemingly a majority of RC's on FR are.

2,040 posted on 07/25/2010 3:00:56 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Natural Law; Dr. Brian Kopp; Quix; narses
Juvenile graphics aside, I didn't direct the comment at any individual Freeper. However, whomsoever calls a Catholic a "Mary Worshipper" is indeed a liar.

Well, there might have been one or two who took it personally.

However............

I imagine you don't wish to get into the "special" definition of worship as applied to JPII or the semantic differences between "latria" and "hyperdulia" and the inability of the Vatican translators to correctly translate Latin into English. That is fine with me. I'll settle for the definition of "hyperdulia" from an official Catholic source such as the Catholic Catechism or a declared Infallible pronouncement from a Pope or a "unanimous" declaration of a Council. Fair enough?

In the meantime:

Pope Paul VI,

"From the time that we were called to the Chair of St. Peter, we have constantly worked to increase the worship of Mary (culto mariano)" [per il retto ordinamento e sviluppo del culto della beata Vergine Maria - esortazione apostolica di Sua Santita Paolo VII, Page 2]

Is he Catholic?

The whole Trinity, O Mary, gave thee a name...above every name, that at Thy name, every knee should bow, of things in heaven, on earth, and under the earth.” (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri (Brooklyn: Redemptorist Fathers, p. 260).

The Holy Church commands a worship peculiar to Mary (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri p. 130).

Many things...are asked from God, and are not granted; they are asked from Mary, and are obtained, for She...is even Queen of Hell, and Sovereign Mistress of the Devils.” (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri (Brooklyn: Redemptorist Fathers, 1931). pp. 127, 141, 143).

Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 618, 964, 968, 970) “All power is given to thee in Heaven and on earth, so that at the command of Mary all obey-even God...and thus...God has placed the whole Church...under the dominion of Mary (pp. 180-181). Mary is also the Advocate of the whole human race...for she can do what she wills with God” (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri (Brooklyn: Redemptorist Fathers, p. 193).

The Glories of Mary: "Mary is called the gate of heaven, because no one can enter that blessed kingdom without passing by her" (p.134)

"And shall we scruple to ask her to save us, when 'the way of salvation is open to none otherwise than thru Mary.'" (p.143)

"He who is protected by Mary will be saved; he who is not will be lost." (p.144)

The Glories of Mary: "All power is given to thee in heaven and on earth, and nothing is impossible to thee, who canst raise those who are in despair to the hope of salvation." (p.154)

A Catholic?

TREATISE ON TRUE DEVOTION TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN - St. Louis de Montfort

A Catholic?

2,042 posted on 07/25/2010 3:22:07 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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