Testimony of a Former Irish Priest

BereanBeacon.Org ^ | Richard Peter Bennett

[count-your-change]

Yeah, I do follow the news. Maybe the bishops failed because they went from being servants to being Bishops.

[small voice in the wilderness]

I so hesitate to wade in on this debate as I honestly have never heard whether or not the resurrection was indeed a miracle ever questioned. I have always considered everything God has done a miracle. Father Corapi has said that God breathed only one word and that Word is Jesus and from this Word everything came into being. Everything that is except the Triune God. Certainly the creation of the heavens and earth along with everything in it is miraculous. Which is why His revealed Word is so much more infinite that just the words contained in the Bible. A miracle by its definition is a super natural happening which cannot be explained in human words and understanding. Some definitions refer to it as an Act of God. In light of this, there can be no doubt that the resurrection was in fact an Act of God and therefore a miracle. It is pointless to try to defend otherwise and it is most likely that it was said in haste or without thought as to the implications or repercussions. Much like when one poster here claimed that it is a miracle that Jesus was/is sinless. That is no miracle, but rather the very nature of God.

THis was your post. And I answered that post with this post:

It’s called the faith OF Christ. Not faith IN Christ, which is what we possess. There is a difference. The death, buriel and resurrection happened because of the faith OF Christ. You probably never heard about that in your church.

I'm sorry for any confusion. But I wondered if you had ever heard the faith OF Christ in your church? And the death, buriel and resurrection of Christ is the perfect place to show it to you.

[MarkBsnr]

Yeah, I do follow the news. Maybe the bishops failed because they went from being servants to being Bishops.

Maybe they failed because they went from serving God and the people of God to serving themselves. Can you point to single Protestant televangelist who serves God more than him (or her) self? None come to mind. A whole bunch who serve themselves do come to mind.

[Hegewisch Dupa]

for those with even a hint of a semblance of a clue, that will always be funny.

[Hegewisch Dupa]

May I speak for him then? I know a whole lot of consonants, and can ignore facts and direct questions like nobody’s business....

[Jvette]

Explain where in my post I said anything about faith?

And please, explain what is the faith OF Christ?

I admitted in my post that I have only heard of the faith IN Christ and am perplexed by what you mean. Explain and I can respond.

It will have to be at a later time though as I am done here tonight.

[Natural Law]

LOL

[Deo volente]

My parents didn’t have a High Mass wedding, and I don’t feel a shred of envy about it. They were married three years before they had me. I’m just happy as can be that they met each other and got married!

The Solemn High Nuptial Mass was associated with the Tridentine Rite, which pretty much disappeared after 1964 and didn’t really make a comeback until the 1990’s, when Pope John Paul’s indult starting kicking in and more Latin Masses became available. The Novus Ordo liturgy, which is the typical Mass that most Catholics attend, does not normally have a High Mass for weddings. I’ve never heard of one, and I’ve attended numerous Catholic weddings. It’s always a Low Mass. Now, there might be a singer and/or choir, and there is almost always music involved. Did you mean perhaps that there was a choir, and you mistakenly thought it was a “High Mass”?

Or were you fortunate enough to really attend a Latin High Nuptial Mass?
Were these weddings you attended before 1964? In that case, you would have had the Tridentine rite in Latin, and there certainly could have been a High Mass. But even back then, they were not common.

[Jvette]

LOL

I don’t know where you have been but, am sure glad you are around now!

[Hegewisch Dupa]

Thank ya kindly!

[Deo volente]

That is because the criticism is not leveled at individuals but at errant beliefs and practices.

Comparing the Holy Eucharist, which Catholics hold most dear, to "yesterday's pork roast" in NOT criticism of beliefs and practices. It's a gross and obscene insult, designed to shock and hurt.

It's full of the spirit of bigotry and hate, and certainly unworthy of someone who professes to be only interested in persuading Catholics and converting them to the "true religion".

The only reason you're getting away with it is because it was not directed at any individual FReeper BY NAME. What a nifty little loophole you can exploit there! Just slap Catholics in the face at will, and remain gloriously "above the fray". Nice little set of Teflon you got there, courtesy of the administrators.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Learn the rules and stop resenting them.

[Hegewisch Dupa]

I agree - learn the rules! You know, the ones you just explained the workings thereof in detail. Learn them!!!

[xone]

I have, many times. Infant Baptism, Real Presence, but then I don’t have that many targets.

[boatbums]

I’d have been certain it was a Monty Python skit.

LOL...don't rule that out yet...or it could be Animal House they are trying to recreate. Friday Nite funnies with plenty of booze???

[small voice in the wilderness]

You did not say anything about faith in your post. You talked about the resurrection and whether or not is was a miracle. It's the faith part that was missing. The faith OF Christ is what made it a miracle.

"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but BY THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST, even we have believed IN Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith OF Christ, and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." (Gal. 2:16).

God is just and in order for us to stand before God in eternity we must be made just, or be justified. That is what Jesus did for us.

We have eternal life through Jesus Christ because, by HIS FAITH IN GOD TO RAISE HIM FROM THE DEAD, HE WAS WILLING TO DIE FOR OUR SINS. That is the Faith Of Christ. Having faith that God would raise Him from the dead after His death for our sins. If I believe in Him and what He has done for me (i.e. He died for my sins, was buried, and rose again), I stand justified before God; (in this case, having no sin because Jesus took my sin, and I am justified because of the faith OF Jesus Christ.)

That is why the resurrection is a miracle. Because of His faith that God would raise Him from the dead, He willingly took our sin, and died, in faith that the penalty would be paid in full, God would be satisfied with the payment, and He would raise His Son as assurance to us that it had indeed been paid in full.

[Quix]

TOOOO likely true for comfort! LOL.

[Natural Law]

"Learn the rules and stop resenting them."

‘round the teeth and over the gums, look out stomach here it comes. Salute!

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Did you mean perhaps that there was a choir, and you mistakenly thought it was a “High Mass”?

Why would I think it was a high mass? I had no idea what a high mass was. I was told these were high masses by the brides, the mothers of the bride, the mothers of the groom and/or the priests officiating.

I had attended mass with friends over the years and these wedding ceremonies were much more elaborate than anything I had ever seen, even for a RC church. They lasted well over an hour.

I have no reason to doubt what these Roman Catholics told me about their own weddings. If they were lying, they were lying to hundreds of people, most of them Roman Catholic.

And these weddings were a lot more recent than 1964.

[boatbums]

So let’s try not to be caught up in the “sides” thing. I could try that.

Me too! Anyone else think we can try this?