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To: caww
Below is one of many in the Mormon organization who claim salvation is thru Joseph Smith”.....he is not the Christian Christ and the Christian Christ does not share His throne with any man who claims Godhead. This is a lie and an attempt to de-throne Christ.

Quote: There is “no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. ....for he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” - Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190

My Post 1471 provides the entire quotation, including the parts you omitted. It does not claim that Joseph Smith is Christ. Nor does it suggest that we want to de-throne Christ. The notion is preposterous.

1,481 posted on 07/08/2010 9:18:00 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: Logophile
I will stand on what I stated and go one step further so as to make my point very clear.....Mormons follow, worship and serve a counterfeit Christianity whose head is not the Christian Christ rather the master impersonator. The organization claims Christianity and Christ as it's own in order to bait and hook unsuspecting members to it's organization by their mascarade.

Additionally once the members have been well indoctrinated via their false teachings and the various required rituals, (which have their roots in satanic Freemasonry and their founder Joseph Smith who has been proven to have been involved with many occult practices,) they are then taught specific ways and means on how to oppose those who would call them out. This too is part of their indoctrination.

Oftentimes their membership will debate within the guidelines they are taught and using the forms of verbiage which can be found on many of their websites.

Although most Mormons have a genuine belief they belong to Christ most who leave Mormonism discover that they do not. Their many testimonies attest to this and the freedom and joy they find when they finally commit their life to the Christ of Christianity.

Yes indeed Mormonism does attempt to dethrone Christ as well as God. Their literature, history and teachings attest to this for any who have researched and weighed the evidence.

1,485 posted on 07/08/2010 10:03:07 PM PDT by caww
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To: Logophile
 
My Post 1471 provides the entire quotation, including the parts you omitted. It does not claim that Joseph Smith is Christ. Nor does it suggest that we want to de-throne Christ. The notion is preposterous.
 
 
Other prominent MORMONs seem to think differently than you:

 


 

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
 
 
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
 
 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
 
 
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670
 
 

1,518 posted on 07/09/2010 6:04:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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