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Posted on 07/06/2010 6:54:33 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
Do not bring arguments from thread to thread.
Why THANKS!
The ends must justify the means, regardless of what the means entail. Sad really
Perhaps YOU are the fellow who can state just WHY NONE of the sece (oops) SACRED Temple Rites are NOT found in ANY Mormon scripture?
God's Name is I AM and Alpha and Omega.
He is not "a" God, He is "the" God.
He is not "a" Creator, He is "the" Creator.
I think it is almost a cop out” to say the devil made me do it.
There is only 1 satan, he is not omnipresent. We are fully capable of sin without Satan’s involvement . Our fallen nature loves sin and it is very creative in ways to accomplish it .
Men love their sin .. it is not until we are saved that we begin to hate or sin and no longer be a slave to it..
Does he still “think” he can defeat God ...probably but saying that God and Satan are “locked in a battle ascribes to Satan powers and authority he does not have..we are not duelists that believe that there are two competing gods
God is also the God over Satan...
"It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God...
He was once a man like us; ...
God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did"
(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46)
But, sister, we also lose unity of effort and purpose. So, the issue is not arriving at a bland agreement on doctrine, but is rather producing a salty coalition that is willing to attack.
Our largest denominations have some doctrinal disagreements, but even our largest denominations manage to agree on combined initiatives.
If we do not have enough in common to agree on a united effort in media outreach, then we probably don't have enough in common to impress unbelievers that:
I (am) in them and (they) in me (so that) they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
Now, tell me dear Colo. what percentage of your posting history deals w/ Mormons vs. anything else, especially the substantive posts? Get it?
As far as my caucus post, again, I stated "I DON"T BELIEVE"... I had forgotten that 5 WORD POST. I've probably done likewise in the past. Do you consider that truly representative of my posting history & anything of substance? I never stated without a shadow of a doubt, I never...... Straining at a gnat perhaps?
As far as my misrepresentation in the post to Godzilla you referred to, I explained the circumstances & duly apologized at the time, as is incumbent for a follower of Christ to do when he is found to be wrong & has mis-spoken. Godzilla graciously accepted my apology for which I was grateful. Any apologies from the "anti's" lately for their foibles? Hmmmm.
Got to answer a few more here, then I'm back to my part in capitalism, & the defeat of Harry Reid. Have a good one.
SHIRLEY you jest, sir. You appear to believe this is a one-sided problem. As you languish in paradise, we are busy lobbing rolls at you, and mocking in your general direction, is this what you believe? Because, let me tell you what it looks like from this side of the cross. There IS a division between us, not a PERCEPTION of a division. It's called The Cross. You on side, with the Gospel of the Kingdom as your Great Commission, the idea that your church can remit or retain sins, Maryolatry, dogma of purgatory, prayers for the dead, and sacrifice of the Mass, traditions and doctrines of men, and your Pope.
We stand on this side of the Cross, with the Word of God, and the Gospel of the Grace of God as our Great Commission.
We are told by your side we MUST come to your side of the Cross for our salvation. We know better. There is a better way. The FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST.
You don't accept that, placing works in your salvation plan.
We have not divided ANYONE.
The Cross has divided. You refuse to come to the other side. We refuse to go your side.
And you want to believe that humility, and gentleness and love will solve this problem? Humility without the Strength of the Truth is a false humility. Gentleness without the Truth is powerlessness. And Love without THE TRUTH is not LOVE. It is deceitful.
"..because they received NOT the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thess. 2:10).
This is about the truth, Mad Dawg. The truth that saves. Not will save, might save, but SAVES. The moment it is accepted. You choose to take it or leave it, but the TRUTH remains.
We are called to preach the Gospel of Grace, and be instant, in season and out. If it sounds devisive to you, it is. It's the power of Christ, to those who believe.
We ARE indeed divided. By the Cross. Not because we want to annoy your side. Love of the Truth says "listen, read the scriptures, search for yourself, whether these things be so."
Amen
Well said. Amen.
Ok...that’s enough ....but you have revealed who you are and about by your responses...it appears you are more about dividing then resolving differences IMO. And that is why some will not debate you...you can’t seem come off the high horse your on...even now it’s about you and if or not it’s about you!...round and round. As I mentioned...there comes a time I simply walk away...this is one.
I assert the mission and calling must be of God, not man, to be empowered whether as evangelist, preacher, pastor, teacher, helper - or whether to simply stand as a bulwark against anti-Christianity.
Pastors make poor evangelists. Evangelists make poor pastors. But when God is in control, there is no lack of unity, effort or purpose. Indeed, when God is in control, there is no lack of resource or power (Hebrews 11.)
And so I aver that if we want to do things our own way, He will let us and we will fail.
As evidence I point to the Hebrews whining for flesh until God was angry with them and gave them flesh until they choked on it (Numbers 11:18-20). And they whined for earthly kings/judges until God was angry with them and gave them a lineage of notoriously fallible men (I Sam 8:6-9)
And I see the same thing in Moses' whining for God to appoint someone else to speak for Him. He made God angry and Moses and all the people ended up with an ecclesiastical body, a system of religious authorities and intermediaries (Exodus 4:10-17).
Each time they whined they were insulting God, they were saying they didn't believe Him or they didn't trust Him. Each time God was angry. And in each case He gave them what they were whining for so much so they choked on it.
But if we love God, if we believe Him, if we trust Him, we will follow the Good Shepherd and we cannot fail.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace. Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8:1-9
God's Name is I AM.
There has never been a question that there is only one God, and Satan does not reach his level of power, however the battle is at the soul by soul level, free will is in play both for Satan as the rest of creation, and he has influence as is told to us in the very words of the Bible itself.
VERY well put.
Anyone who is engaged in "useless striving", and is not putting all his trust in Jesus ISN'T BEING CATHOLIC.
The fact that the postings of many on the Religion Forum serve only to drive people away from their brand of religion should be enough to change their posting habits as well. I doubt it happens though.
Some are far more interested in tearing others down then building their religion up. It is especially sad to see in those who alleged that they are "Christians" as the entire point of being a Christian is to build Christ up.
Personally I find the spectacle of one group of heretics calling another group of heretics names both laughable and sad. It touches my faith not at all and only serves to make them look in sore need to mental help.
However from personal experience I know of nonreligious people who have read their posts and walked away vowing never to give that brand of religion any consideration.
Sadly I doubt that matters to those who live to attack someone who believes slightly differently then they do. They gain more pleasure from their nasty tiny fisted spittle flying tantrum then they do from following the tenets of their own religion.
Perhaps I was assuming you knew who my comments were directed to as you have been on some of those threads. They commonly refer to themselves as the flying Imams or inmans (curious, but it is what it is). So, in short, I was not referring to all who do not ascribe to the teachings of the LDS church & voice their opinions as those who rip the church on a regular & routine basis. They know who they are. You don't?
Finally, I don't have an ax to grind w/ you. If you state that your comments were misinterpreted by me, I can accept that, & I apologize if they were. If you state that you've made mistakes, that's only human & I can accept that as well, in fact, I think better of you for that. I've certainly made my fair share during my lifetime.
We can get a little edgy from time to time due to the constant misrepresentations bounded about here regularly as already seen & pointed out here. Sorry if that carried over to OUR discourse. That also is a big part of why I don't post as regularly as I used to. There are things that bring far more joy into my life than dealing w/ that stuff over, & over, & over ad naseum.
As to your apostate position, to each his own. Everyone has to make their own decisions in life. I don't begrudge those choices except when they sandblast me for the choices I've made religiously speaking. It's a free agency thing. It will always be until someone PROVES definitively that they have the truth. Otherwise, it's all simply opinion & personal experience.
I've had a witness from Father. I don't force anyone to believe or accept that. Again, free agency. I also don't post threads carpet bombing folks b/c they don't believe what I do. Including you! I pray for you, as I hope you do for me. Let the Lord sort out the rest.
As stated earlier, I've got to get back at it. Best wishes to you & yours
That assertion is contradictory to the Gospels, which in several places speak of many devils. In one instance, the very name of the demons indicates a huge number.
I'd suggest re-reading the Gospels.
Some of these passages (in which Jesus or the Apostles cast out demons) are even used as Sunday Mass readings in the Catholic Church.
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