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On intemperate and indiscreet zeal. (The Primary Fault of many Religion Forum posters)
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Posted on 07/06/2010 6:54:33 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

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To: Religion Moderator

Go for the Pension! I was wondering, do you get combat pay on certain days (like today)? ;)


681 posted on 07/06/2010 11:37:19 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Alex Murphy; Mad Dawg; betty boop; markomalley; doug from upland; TSgt; Las Vegas Dave

I think I left ya’ll out of the ping to this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=108#108

2nd article is about:

TOP PRIORITY U.S. MILITARY REPORT CLAIMS “APOCALYPTIC CHRISTIANS” MAY POSE SERIOUS THREAT TO WORLD PEACE

(This may also relate to a segment of the population’s beliefs in “UFOs” and “aliens”)

by Norio Hayakawa
July 6, 2010


682 posted on 07/07/2010 12:09:25 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Reno232

Let us pray for such an anointing of the Spirit that we may be salve to those who chafe and are irritated.


683 posted on 07/07/2010 4:55:21 AM PDT by Mad Dawg ("Be kind to everyone you meet, for every person is fighting a great battle" -- St. Ephraim)
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To: Quix
He[Christ] hit the arrogant, self-righteous etc. religious leaders upside the head with 2 X 4’s if not 4 X 4’s routinely.

Let's stipulate that. May we then conclude from the 2x4 blows we've taken, that the liberal, nay, generous use of 2x4s is an indication that the meek and humble of heart swinger of clubs thinks he is addressing arrogant self-righteous people?

In this thread I've seen what comes down to the U, I, and P of TULIP used as justification for being cruel and abrasive in argumentation. "If God wants to save someone, I can't possibly stop Him, so I get a free pass to be ... 'as nasty as I wanna be!'"

And now the humble and meek make the claim that they are abusive because they are following Jesus, while the arrogant who p[lead for gentleness deserve judgment and abuse.

Excuse me, I think I have a timber in my eye. I'll be back in a minute or two.

And as a general observation, does anybody else find it amusing that a lot of people are scurrying to the Scriptures to find justification for the "as nasty as I wanna be" evangelical technique?

I'm wonder about how the words about causing little ones to stumble can be spun into justifying the kind of rhetoric we see here too often.

If I had something important to say to someone likely to disagree, I wouldn't start by misrepresenting his disagreement and by calling him names. But that's just me.

Evidently some think that it is so much in God's hands whether the message is heard that they can use evangelism as an excuse for abuse. If you're offended, it's because you're predestined to hell. It's not OUR fault.

684 posted on 07/07/2010 5:14:39 AM PDT by Mad Dawg ("Be kind to everyone you meet, for every person is fighting a great battle" -- St. Ephraim)
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To: RnMomof7
He is a good poster and stays out of the fray ..I do not understand this

HA HA HA HO HEE HAW!!!!!!!

685 posted on 07/07/2010 5:20:29 AM PDT by Hacksaw ("Don't march on Moscow"..)
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To: Quix
Usually there are lots of reasons for labels and labeling.

In 1963 at Milton Academy, the same illustrious New England Prep School that Teddy Kennedy attended, I went storming into the headmaster's office to complain about anti-semitic harassment three upperclassmen were inflicting on a Jewish freshman.

The headmaster refused to act saying, "Usually there are lots of reasons for labels and labeling," or words very similar to those.

686 posted on 07/07/2010 5:26:08 AM PDT by Mad Dawg ("Be kind to everyone you meet, for every person is fighting a great battle" -- St. Ephraim)
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To: Quix
Paraphrase: Since I cannot prevent God from saving whom he wants to save, there's no problem with my being cruel, abrasive, sophistical, whatever (I don't mean you guys personally, I'm attacking the argument.)

So (the argument continues) I might as well be "as nasty as I wanna be." God's providence gives me a free pass!

And, it wold seem to follow, Paul was wasting his effort being all things to all people.

22b I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
23 I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
If only had read and understood his own writings, he could have had a much easier ministry, poor guy.

Not.

687 posted on 07/07/2010 5:36:57 AM PDT by Mad Dawg ("Be kind to everyone you meet, for every person is fighting a great battle" -- St. Ephraim)
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To: reaganaut
I wrote: "And when “you” speak an outright lie, someone WILL be offended."

You wrote: "What do you seem to think I am lying about, if anything?"

I reply: I put "you" in quotes to make clear that I was not speaking of reaganaut personally, but of a person in the abstract, while maintaining parallelism with your (you, personally, reaganaut) phrasing in the post to which I replied.

Put differently, for clarity: When a person speaks an outright lie, someone WILL be offended.

Once again, for emphasis: Offensiveness is not a guarantor, or even a good indicator, of correctness.

688 posted on 07/07/2010 5:44:02 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Hacksaw
HA HA HA HO HEE HAW!!!!!!!

It gets better. Finish reading the thread.

689 posted on 07/07/2010 5:48:21 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Alex Murphy
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690 posted on 07/07/2010 6:08:31 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Ha!!


691 posted on 07/07/2010 6:15:04 AM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: r9etb

Boldness, forcefulness, and righteous anger have their place; but wrongly applied they become intemperate and indiscreet zeal...

 

LIKEWISE:

Sometimes meek, shy, retiring, and just trying to get along, can be just as effective as lukewarm puke.


692 posted on 07/07/2010 6:37:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: r9etb

Revelation 3:15
I know what you have done, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were cold or hot.


693 posted on 07/07/2010 6:38:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SkyDancer
But if the LDS is the restored church then why so many different restored churches in the LDS ???

Just like in Animal Farm; some are more restored than others...

694 posted on 07/07/2010 6:39:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mad Dawg; reaganaut; All
You overlook the fact that God uses people to oppose and confront, and yes with passion and anger. God Himself speaks of His anger, so to hold all Christians to just the lovey dovey approach is not wise nor is it always the way the Lord works thru people.

There are those called by Him to “fight” for the faith....and against the wiles of the devil. When Christ cleared the temple area He did not say excuse me nor did he gently tip over the “tables”.....he cried out and that with a whip in His hand. He called them “thieves”....because that is what they were and what they were doing.....so too those who do the bidding of counterfeit Christianity and their leader who is the “Father of lies”...

Soft hearted people have a difficult time understanding those called to such a mission. They always will. But likewise those who have been called as such have difficulty understanding why the family of believers aren't doing more against the foe.

Some are called to break down the barriers and walls, others to build those up in the faith. Just like EMTS in an emergency situation are yelling and carrying on ..... and then transport those to the hospital where others see then to the healing. Do not mistake Gods use of people for that which He has called them too. Especially those Called to be on the front lines of the battle....where it can be a bloody mess and injuries occur to both sides....Truth will always be fought and that battle is fierce......given he who is the Father of lies and the tactics he uses we should not fear nor be hesitant to dispel his lies in the ‘Power” and might of the Lords’ Spirit.

695 posted on 07/07/2010 6:39:46 AM PDT by caww
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To: r9etb
I disagree with their claim, but I don't go out daily to do battle with Mormons.

According to data from SLC headquarters, about 60,000 or 53,000 or maybe 52,000 MORMONs go out DAILY to do battle with folks in their own homes.

We 'ANTIs' (as we are so lovingly called) are a mere handful; but then; how many did Gideon end up with?

696 posted on 07/07/2010 6:43:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Logophile
How do you know they are lying, or that they are embarrassed?

Different 'they's.

The first are the MEMBERs; the second are the BELIEFs.

697 posted on 07/07/2010 6:45:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut

My pleasure...


698 posted on 07/07/2010 6:47:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
How does the D&C tell you to recognize the spirit of a just man vs. an angel?

We DO know that JS did NOT use the 'method' when the two DEMONS talked to him!

699 posted on 07/07/2010 6:48:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Reno232
“Warriors” on the front line of truth vs. lies and deception sleep very well for they understand the wiles of the devil and his ways....they understand that souls are at stake, they know their calling very well and He who arms them for the fight...and they understand it is a war,... not a back yard barbecue meet and greet meeting.

If they have any misery it is for those trapped and fallen, for those battles fought hard and mighty only to see the victim run back to the enemies camp. But the victories of those who come out are sweet and souls are rescued...they know how to celebrate Christ's victories in this, and with it are humbled for having been an instrument in God's hand.
This is not a life of misery at all in how you define it....rather one of great Joy for having made a difference in the Lord's work to seek and save those who have fallen.

700 posted on 07/07/2010 6:52:04 AM PDT by caww
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