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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl
All men are fallen and all men deserve condemnation. That's the natural man's free will choice. Without Christ, men freely choose destitution.

For His own reasons, God has chosen a remnant for Himself. Those men He has mercifully, freely and graciously covered in the atoning blood of His Son. God, for His own good pleasure, redeems those men and enables them to choose righteousness.

Without the indwelling Holy Spirit, all men will choose poorly.

Responsibility comes with a real choice. No choice, no responsibility. Did Judas have a choice? Did Paul?

I think you've just proven my point. No, neither Judas nor Paul had a real choice. If Judas had not betrayed Christ, neither you nor I would have been saved by Christ on the cross. Judas was ordained by God to be one of the instruments of death for Jesus Christ, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Likewise, Paul is pretty clear that he could do nothing but preach the Gospel once God had smacked him over the head and given sight to his blinded eyes.

Can the leopard change his spots? Is anything God-pleasing that is not of faith?

Read Van Til. I bet you'd like him.

832 posted on 07/14/2010 11:33:06 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Alamo-Girl
I think you've just proven my point. No, neither Judas nor Paul had a real choice

Yes I know, but where the reposnibility for their deeds? You wrote ealrier that all men are responsible for their sins. All they did was what God willed. Judas was used for a purpose and so was Paul. It was not their choice; why should it be their repsonsiblity?

840 posted on 07/14/2010 11:51:12 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Thank you for sharing your insights, dear sister in Christ!
874 posted on 07/15/2010 9:37:46 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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