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To: count-your-change; Alamo-Girl; xzins
Can “ego eimi”, which is present tense be properly translated as “I existed” or “I have been” or something similar? Yes, it can.

Yes, of course (John 9:14), but there is a source that argues ego eimi in John 8:58 can be translated as future tense:

The source then addresses the issue of Abraham's existence

So, he is arguing that in this case ego eimi can not be translated a past, "eternal present," or simple present, but as future!

Incidentally, the same source argues (quite interestingly I must say) from Psalm 2:7 that Jesus is not the YHWH of Exodus 3:14:


477 posted on 07/11/2010 9:57:29 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: kosta50

all amusing, but all people with an agenda. the text is what it is and “ego eimi” = “I am”


483 posted on 07/11/2010 10:28:22 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: kosta50
I think the source is substituting interpretation for translation. His argument hangs upon “The verb ginomai (was) is in the infinitive, not the indicative.”

But the indicative would declare something Jesus viewed or stated as so without question, ‘Abraham came to be, existed, was produced, generated’.

So Aorist, indicative, middle voice.

“Incidentally, the same source argues (quite interestingly I must say) from Psalm 2:7 that Jesus is not the YHWH of Exodus 3:14:”

It's a good point but i didn't follow his argument any further. A Catholic might argue the same thing but for quite different reasons.

508 posted on 07/12/2010 12:42:12 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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