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Another vicious, inaccurate, and contradictory New York Times attack on Pope Benedict
catholicculture.org ^ | July 2, 2010 | Phil Lawler

Posted on 07/02/2010 6:56:08 PM PDT by Desdemona

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To: blue-duncan; TXnMA; xzins; count-your-change
It occurs to me that in that sidebar I failed to underscore a point about Revelation 1:8.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. – Revelation 1:8

The phrase "I am Alpha and Omega" occurs in Rev 1:8, 1:11, 21:6 and 22:13.

And it is amplified in Revelation 1:8:

I am [which is] Alpha {which was] and Omega [which is to come.]

Which The Lord sums up as: The Almighty which would be understood as El Shaddai in Hebrew.

God's Name is I AM and Alpha and Omega and The Almighty.

1,101 posted on 07/17/2010 10:34:40 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl
LOL kosta! I do believe this is the first time I've ever seen you agree (or at least not disagree) with anyone about anything.

Contrary to what you may think, I am a life-long conservative, a registered Republican, I love this country, I think Richard Dawkins is a pathetic crusader, and I have nothing personally against God.

1,102 posted on 07/17/2010 10:45:35 AM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: betty boop
It the parody of reason that is postmodernism; the witches' brew of metaphysical nihilism, epistemological skepticism, and moral relativism not only underwrites political correctness, but also sociopolitical radicalism based on pure abstractions. And if history is any guide, such radical projects simply do not work in the "real" world.

From the point of view of our would-be "controllers," human beings become better fit for the "herd" if they can be lobotomized. Since this is largely impractical (at least so far), for them to remain in ignorance of the human past is the next best strategy for controlling them....

Oh so very true.

Every day it seems they chip away liberty, edging and terrifying us into ever shrinking positions in the hive.

This method is a classic military "siege" of a target. In the Revolutionary War they would construct gradually approaching parallel lines towards the object, ditches from which to fire from cover - until the target was battle worn and terrified. The British used it against Charleston; the Americans against Yorktown.

1,103 posted on 07/17/2010 10:48:00 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: kosta50
Thank you so much for sharing your testimony, dear kosta50! And from an earlier post, thank you for your service.
1,104 posted on 07/17/2010 10:50:36 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: count-your-change
Actually “possessed” isn't used. But I'll say he was influenced

Okay, if Satan moved into Judas I would say it is more than "influence." It's an invasion, taking over, infiltrating, occupying, subjegating, etc.

If John meant literally that Judas was a devil, then Judas-the-human was taken over completely by a demon, since demons have body of their own. I would call that more like dominance than influence.

In either case it wasn't Judas-he-human, but some demon, who called the shots.

How would Judas be guilty if he had no control or wasn't free to do otherwise than what he did?

James 4:7 says "resist the devil," but none of the disciples had the Holy Spirit at the time of Judas' betrayal, so that was not possible, was it?

If Judas did not act exactly as God wanted, at the given hour, if it was left up to his "free will" and how he "felt about it," then the whole thing would have been uncertain. Things simply had to play out exactly as they played out, like a scripted movie, where actors act their part, or else the movie ends up nowhere.

Otherwise it's all by chance.

Then what does “granted”, “give” repentance mean in the three scriptures in which it is used? That He made it possible, provided opportunity.

Pretty much. But if he doesn't grant you the opportunity then you can't repent. The baptized not only are given the "opportunity," but their will has been changed to want to please God, so that they will want to repent. Again, their choice is not a sui-generis, indigenous, desire to repent, but seems rather strongly "influenced," to put it mildly.

Else, where does it say that God granted the opportunity to everyone?

Rom 2:4 in fact says God was trying to “lead” people to repentance.

Yes, God leads his slaves (Greek: douloi, or obligate servants), the slaves for righteousness. Where is their "freedom" to resist. Those who do were never of his flock to begin with, or so the Bible says, so citing examples of apostates doesn't prove free will.

1,105 posted on 07/17/2010 11:22:09 AM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl
LOL kosta! I do believe this is the first time I've ever seen you agree (or at least not disagree) with anyone about anything.

Just curious, do you remember an instance where you did not either agree or disagree with anyone about anything?

1,106 posted on 07/17/2010 11:25:10 AM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Thank you


1,107 posted on 07/17/2010 11:26:33 AM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: Alamo-Girl; TXnMA; annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; xzins; MHGinTN; GOPJ; shibumi; kosta50
The insight is that once we mortals attach a word to an object, we limit our awareness of the object to the meaning of that word.

So very true, dear sister in Christ! In so doing, the description of the object increasingly stands in lieu of the reality (object) it describes. Something very similar is going on with sense perception itself. Can we really say to what extent a sense perception is anything more than a registration of the appearance of a thing in a form suitable for mental processing, which can tell us nothing about what the thing really is, as it is in itself?

When God says a Word, He's not "making a description." He is implementing reality itself. Although human beings cannot do this, it seems many post-modernist thinkers believe they can "change the reality" by changing the words with which it is described. For a human to do this must involve belief in a magical act of transformation, in a "magic word," die Zauberworte — the speaking of which involves what Heimito von Doderer has called "the refusal to apperceive reality ... [which is] the pathological core in the structure of consciousness that enables the dreamer to ignore rational argument against his construction." [Eric Voegelin, "Wisdom and the Magic of the Extreme," Collected Works, Vol. 12, p. 323]

But magic is never real: It does not deal with reality at all, but only with how human beings are "set-up" to perceive its false facsimile....

Truly, "no word of men can describe God the Creator," since time, space, form, matter, energy are descriptive categories of men which have no relevance to the Creator Himself, Who is the Ayn Sof, the "no thing" which made all these things. He cannot be "measured" in terms of such things.

Thank you ever so much, dearest sister in Christ, for your illuminating essay/post!

1,108 posted on 07/17/2010 11:49:15 AM PDT by betty boop (Those who do not punish bad men are really wishing that good men be injured. — Pythagoras)
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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl
bb wrote: I do believe this is the first time I've ever seen you agree (or at least not disagree) with anyone about anything.

To which kosta replied: Just curious, do you remember an instance where you did not either agree or disagree with anyone about anything?

Dear kosta, the "or at least not disagree" was a courtesy to you. It's an acknowledgement of the constant hedging you use to avoid being pinned down in an argument.

Personally, I don't see much danger in simply being straightforward. But as to your question, there are times when I cannot either agree or disagree with a proposition for the simple reason that I do not know enough about the matter to take a position.

1,109 posted on 07/17/2010 11:59:28 AM PDT by betty boop (Those who do not punish bad men are really wishing that good men be injured. — Pythagoras)
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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl
Contrary to what you may think, I am a life-long conservative, a registered Republican, I love this country, I think Richard Dawkins is a pathetic crusader, and I have nothing personally against God.

If all that is true, then why are you standing with the post-modernists?

Forgive me for saying so, but it looks like you have a lot more in common, intellectually speaking, with Captain Zero than with the Founders/Framers. More of the ideological commitments of the French Revolution than the American one.

Do you have anything impersonally against God?

1,110 posted on 07/17/2010 12:05:26 PM PDT by betty boop (Those who do not punish bad men are really wishing that good men be injured. — Pythagoras)
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To: kosta50
“James 4:7 says “resist the devil,” but none of the disciples had the Holy Spirit at the time of Judas’ betrayal, so that was not possible, was it?”

The holy spirit was operative. Mary became pregnant, Elizabeth was “filled with holy spirit, and the disciples when sent out, would have God's spirit speaking in them. (Luke chapter 1 and Matt. 10:20)
God's spirit was able to do whatever He wished.

“If Judas did not act exactly as God wanted, at the given hour, if it was left up to his “free will” and how he “felt about it,” then the whole thing would have been uncertain. Things simply had to play out exactly as they played out, like a scripted movie, where actors act their part, or else the movie ends up nowhere.”

Nope, God can accomplish His will no matter who does what.
When the Israelites made the golden calf God said He would wipe all of them out and makes a nation from Moses. God thereby would keep His promise to Abraham even if He did through Moses.
What God says will take place, will. (Isa. 55:11)

Repentance first, then baptism. (Acts 2:38)
and God is telling everyone everywhere to repent. (Acts 17:30)

“Yes, God leads his slaves (Greek: douloi, or obligate servants), the slaves for righteousness. Where is their “freedom” to resist. Those who do were never of his flock to begin with, or so the Bible says, so citing examples of apostates doesn't prove free will.”

Romans 2:4 was directed to those (”O man, whoever you are”) who were going receive an adverse judgment for their actions unless they repented and Paul said God was leading them by being long-suffering and kind.

As Joshua said to the nation of Israel, God's covenant people, ‘choose for yourselves whom you will serve’ but he was going to serve God. (Josh. 24:15)

Lots of free will there. If they couldn't choose, didn't have the ability to exercise free will, then what was Joshua asking of them?

1,111 posted on 07/17/2010 1:47:33 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop

FReepMail for you — on the subject of “centrism”...


1,112 posted on 07/17/2010 3:29:50 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Alamo-Girl
Every day it seems they chip away liberty, edging and terrifying us into ever shrinking positions in the hive.

It seems to me the only defense against this assault, which is not only on mankind, but on God Himself, is to stand on the Rock of God: God's Truth is the basis of human reason, and also the only basis of human liberation, in this world and the next: "And the Truth shall set you free." FWIW.

God's Name is: I AM.

1,113 posted on 07/17/2010 3:37:37 PM PDT by betty boop (Those who do not punish bad men are really wishing that good men be injured. — Pythagoras)
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To: Alamo-Girl

But God did not come to rescue the fly. He came to rescue you.


1,114 posted on 07/17/2010 7:12:33 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: MHGinTN

Christ did His work for everyone. Now is our turn. Many are called, few are chosen.


1,115 posted on 07/17/2010 7:13:57 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

All are called. Few accept.


1,116 posted on 07/17/2010 7:15:38 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: betty boop; TXnMA; annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; xzins; MHGinTN; GOPJ; shibumi; kosta50
Thank you so much for your wonderful essay-post, dearest sister in Christ!

In so doing, the description of the object increasingly stands in lieu of the reality (object) it describes. Something very similar is going on with sense perception itself. Can we really say to what extent a sense perception is anything more than a registration of the appearance of a thing in a form suitable for mental processing, which can tell us nothing about what the thing really is, as it is in itself?

What a fascinating insight! This ones bears further meditation much like man's vision/mind being limited to 4D perception when math/physics tells us it is not necessarily so.

When God says a Word, He's not "making a description." He is implementing reality itself.

Amen.

Although human beings cannot do this, it seems many post-modernist thinkers believe they can "change the reality" by changing the words with which it is described. For a human to do this must involve belief in a magical act of transformation, in a "magic word," die Zauberworte — the speaking of which involves what Heimito von Doderer has called "the refusal to apperceive reality ... [which is] the pathological core in the structure of consciousness that enables the dreamer to ignore rational argument against his construction." [Eric Voegelin, "Wisdom and the Magic of the Extreme," Collected Works, Vol. 12, p. 323]

And yet another excellent insight - you are certainly on a roll!

The crazed use of "Yes, we can." in the last election comes to mind. It was and is meaningless. It's just a magic word but it had real consequences.

And back under Clinton the "sex, sex, sex" was obviously and successfully used to change the focus from perjury/obstruction of justice to something naughty but legal.

For some time now, the left wingers and their helpers in media/entertainment and education have been controlling the debate by controlling the language.

In newsrooms they dare not use the term "unborn child" - they must say "fetus." And under the Obama administration, we don't hear the term "terrorist" very often. And in education, I hear they avoid the terms "mommy" and "daddy" altogether.

Worse, the Name of God is treated like a curse word not to spoken in public (media/education) except as a curse word (entertainment.)

And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place. Ye shall not do so unto the LORD your God. - Deuteronomy 12:3-4

God's Name is I AM.

1,117 posted on 07/17/2010 10:09:40 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
Personally, I don't see much danger in simply being straightforward. But as to your question, there are times when I cannot either agree or disagree with a proposition for the simple reason that I do not know enough about the matter to take a position.

Same here, dearest sister in Christ!

1,118 posted on 07/17/2010 10:12:46 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: annalex
But God did not come to rescue the fly. He came to rescue you.

Praise God!

Even so, it's not "about" me, it's "about" Jesus.

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.

For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.– Colossians 1:15-20

To God be the glory, not man, never man.

1,119 posted on 07/17/2010 10:16:50 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Quix; Markos33

Word, sound, thought and what they describe are all the same.

What keeps all our words from being magic is the fact and nature of our humanity.

What made the words of Y’Shua the Christ so magically powerful (miraculous) is the fact and nature of His Divinity.

Prayer works, when we “put off” our humanity and “assume” the power of His Divinity. It’s the essence of why we pray “in His Holy Name.”


1,120 posted on 07/17/2010 10:29:07 PM PDT by shibumi (I am not 'gunner (But we are ~all~ Pablo.))
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