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To: Alamo-Girl; TXnMA; annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; xzins; MHGinTN; GOPJ; shibumi; kosta50
The insight is that once we mortals attach a word to an object, we limit our awareness of the object to the meaning of that word.

So very true, dear sister in Christ! In so doing, the description of the object increasingly stands in lieu of the reality (object) it describes. Something very similar is going on with sense perception itself. Can we really say to what extent a sense perception is anything more than a registration of the appearance of a thing in a form suitable for mental processing, which can tell us nothing about what the thing really is, as it is in itself?

When God says a Word, He's not "making a description." He is implementing reality itself. Although human beings cannot do this, it seems many post-modernist thinkers believe they can "change the reality" by changing the words with which it is described. For a human to do this must involve belief in a magical act of transformation, in a "magic word," die Zauberworte — the speaking of which involves what Heimito von Doderer has called "the refusal to apperceive reality ... [which is] the pathological core in the structure of consciousness that enables the dreamer to ignore rational argument against his construction." [Eric Voegelin, "Wisdom and the Magic of the Extreme," Collected Works, Vol. 12, p. 323]

But magic is never real: It does not deal with reality at all, but only with how human beings are "set-up" to perceive its false facsimile....

Truly, "no word of men can describe God the Creator," since time, space, form, matter, energy are descriptive categories of men which have no relevance to the Creator Himself, Who is the Ayn Sof, the "no thing" which made all these things. He cannot be "measured" in terms of such things.

Thank you ever so much, dearest sister in Christ, for your illuminating essay/post!

1,108 posted on 07/17/2010 11:49:15 AM PDT by betty boop (Those who do not punish bad men are really wishing that good men be injured. — Pythagoras)
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To: betty boop; TXnMA; annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; xzins; MHGinTN; GOPJ; shibumi; kosta50
Thank you so much for your wonderful essay-post, dearest sister in Christ!

In so doing, the description of the object increasingly stands in lieu of the reality (object) it describes. Something very similar is going on with sense perception itself. Can we really say to what extent a sense perception is anything more than a registration of the appearance of a thing in a form suitable for mental processing, which can tell us nothing about what the thing really is, as it is in itself?

What a fascinating insight! This ones bears further meditation much like man's vision/mind being limited to 4D perception when math/physics tells us it is not necessarily so.

When God says a Word, He's not "making a description." He is implementing reality itself.

Amen.

Although human beings cannot do this, it seems many post-modernist thinkers believe they can "change the reality" by changing the words with which it is described. For a human to do this must involve belief in a magical act of transformation, in a "magic word," die Zauberworte — the speaking of which involves what Heimito von Doderer has called "the refusal to apperceive reality ... [which is] the pathological core in the structure of consciousness that enables the dreamer to ignore rational argument against his construction." [Eric Voegelin, "Wisdom and the Magic of the Extreme," Collected Works, Vol. 12, p. 323]

And yet another excellent insight - you are certainly on a roll!

The crazed use of "Yes, we can." in the last election comes to mind. It was and is meaningless. It's just a magic word but it had real consequences.

And back under Clinton the "sex, sex, sex" was obviously and successfully used to change the focus from perjury/obstruction of justice to something naughty but legal.

For some time now, the left wingers and their helpers in media/entertainment and education have been controlling the debate by controlling the language.

In newsrooms they dare not use the term "unborn child" - they must say "fetus." And under the Obama administration, we don't hear the term "terrorist" very often. And in education, I hear they avoid the terms "mommy" and "daddy" altogether.

Worse, the Name of God is treated like a curse word not to spoken in public (media/education) except as a curse word (entertainment.)

And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place. Ye shall not do so unto the LORD your God. - Deuteronomy 12:3-4

God's Name is I AM.

1,117 posted on 07/17/2010 10:09:40 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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