Posted on 06/17/2010 6:28:06 PM PDT by Colofornian
Utah death-row inmate Ronnie Lee Gardner is set to be executed by a firing squad on Friday. Thirty-five states allow the death penalty, but death by firing squad remains an option only in Utah.
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Every detail of April 2, 1985, is burned into her memory. Gardner was in court on a murder charge when he tried to escape. An accomplice slipped him a gun, and he shot and killed an attorney and also severely wounded George "Nick" Kirk, who was a bailiff. Kirk didn't die, but VelDean Kirk says he wasn't the same active, cheerful man anymore. She says his final years were marked by excruciating pain and depression from a sedentary life.
His daughter, Tami Stewart, feels sorry for Gardner, but she can't forgive him. She imagines him in the death chamber. "He's going to feel that fear that he put into every one of those men. He's done. We've given him more than enough," Stewart says.
Gardner did get one choice: how he would die. In court, after being told he'd exhausted his appeals, the 49-year-old made his preference known.
"I would like the firing squad, please," he told the court...
...Utah's last firing-squad execution 14 years ago attracted more than 150 news crews from across the globe. They were interested in one thing: the method of execution.
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Utah historian Will Bagley says the reason this method of execution exists is rooted in Utah's history as a Mormon sanctuary. "I think we need to be honest about it. We have the last firing squads in the country as a legacy of Mormon theology," Bagley says.
Some early Mormon leaders believed in blood atonement for the most egregious sins. "To atone for those, Jesus' blood didn't count. You had to shed your own blood," Bagley says.
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Na na. ('twas corporate) :)
Meaning 'twas a backhanded compliment over your truly amazing keyboard skills
Of course not you don’t. The LDS are taught to believe whatever they are told.
Critical thinking is not a strong suit in Mormonism.
The lie is the statement that the LDS never taught or believed in blood atonement when there is so much documentation to the contrary.
But in order to ‘look good’ they downplay it or deny it, just like they did with the institutionalized racism or polygamy.
Merely an observation.
Well I understand there is big money in spreading these falsehoods.
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Apparently there is, just look at all the money LDS, inc rakes in every year spreading their lies.
I can’t say that I have seen any original thought in this thread. And they we talk of plagiarism
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Oh, do tell...show me an unoriginal thought or words that are not cited. C’mon you are slandering people.
I have NEVER been guilty of plagarism so your statement that there is no original thought in this thread is a flat out lie.
I guess I'm not spreading any lies cuz I'm not making one red cent.
I am full of the Holy Spirit and God know it. Yep.
And I am also correct in my statement that Blood atonement was taught.
Resty, does it ever bother you that your church keeps lying about its history and encouraging its members to do the same?
It bothered me when I was LDS.
Why can’t they just admit these things? It would gain them much more credibility.
These have been answered over and over.
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But never truthfully or with any satisfaction.
The leaders (or Fair/Farms) spit out some nonsense that is overly wordy and convoluted and the membership rolls over and says “oh good we can put that back on the shelf.” without really trying to see if the apologetic is valid (which is never is).
Who really cares about truth and putting things into perspective.
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I DO.
You have to source EVERY time, otherwise people think you are making the comments you are plagiarizing.
Did you ever take freshman english in school?
What propaganda. The truth is not propaganda.
Wrong.....Utah and Oklahoma still have firing squads....what a stupid assumption for an Historian to make!
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Actually, Utah has banned it now (except for a few cases like this one), ID has banned it as well, and OK only has it as a ‘backup’ if the other two methods are deemed unconstitutional. So neither ID or OK really have firing squads anymore either.
And while I don’t agree with all of Bagley’s conclusions, from what I have read his work is solid and he is a decent historian (in my professional opinion).
anti LDS have nothing but too gnash their teeth sinse they could not endure to the end!
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NO ONE can ‘endure to the end’ resty. We all sin, even you.
That is why we are saved by grace and not works.
This is the first time I saw this complaint for a poster I have witness many times the antis in the past would post something I knew came from some anti LDS site and did not source it...
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Now I KNOW none of the inmans do this. We are careful about sourcing our quotes.
I have asked that they give the source of ideas that they are passing off as their own. I think they are only parrots for the the money makers.
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And we always have sourced it. You are the one that repeatedly cuts and pastes and passes it off as your own.
And what ‘money makers’?!?! No one involved in ministry gets rich from it.
But then again, since we mostly post the writings of LD$, inc, then we are quoting the ‘money makers’. That so called church that rips people of known as Mormonism.
This endeavor actually costs me time and money.
Make money? ROFL.
Grasshopper: you are GETTIN' it!
| I always find if fascinating when LDSers say some document, statement or charge was “answered” and as proof that the issue(s) in question was answered successfully point to LDS sources. How about an acknowledgment from the person making the charge or asking the question. You can ask me if 2+2=4 and I can say “no, you are wrong, your sources are inaccurate”. You can then press the question and I can say “I answered you already, the debate is closed”. Of course I would still be wrong, but as far as I was concerned the question was answered and I can tell all those listening I answered you. |
Hmm..
I thought the FEDs banned it.
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