Just wondering why someone can't see the posts are pointing out the faults of mormonISM. Also wondering why someone would spend so much time trying to figure out motives for posts made by other FReepers...didn't someone on this thread suggest there are many other more important happenings to spend bandwidth on?
It would follow that there are many more important things than whether two or three threads in the Religion Forum don't fit someone's approval.
Something to chew on...The mormon "Plan of Salvation"
Premortal Life
Before we were born on the earth, we lived in the presence of our Heavenly Father as one of His spirit children. In this premortal existence, we attended a council with Heavenly Father's other spirit children. At that council, Heavenly Father presented His great plan of happiness (see Abraham 3:2226).
In harmony with the plan of happiness, the premortal Jesus Christ, the Firstborn Son of the Father in the spirit, covenanted to be the Savior (see Moses 4:2; Abraham 3:27). Those who followed Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ were permitted to come to the earth to experience mortality and progress toward eternal life. Lucifer, another spirit son of God, rebelled against the plan and "sought to destroy the agency of man" (Moses 4:3). He became Satan, and he and his followers were cast out of heaven and denied the privileges of receiving a physical body and experiencing mortality (see Moses 4:4; Abraham 3:2728).
Throughout our premortal lives, we developed our identity and increased our spiritual capabilities. Blessed with the gift of agency, we made important decisions, such as the decision to follow Heavenly Father's plan. These decisions affected our life then and now. We grew in intelligence and learned to love the truth, and we prepared to come to the earth, where we could continue to progress.
Mortal Life
We are now experiencing mortal life. Our spirits are united with our bodies, giving us opportunities to grow and develop in ways that were not possible in premortal life. This part of our existence is a time of learning in which we can prove ourselves, choose to come unto Christ, and prepare to be worthy of eternal life. It is also a time when we can help others find the truth and gain a testimony of the plan of salvation.
Life after Death
When we die, our spirits will enter the spirit world and await the resurrection. At the time of the resurrection, our spirit and body will reunite, and we will be judged and received into a kingdom of glory. The glory we inherit will depend on the depth of our conversion and our obedience to the Lord's commandments (see Kingdoms of Glory). It will depend on the manner in which we have "received the testimony of Jesus" (D&C 76:51; see also D&C 76:74, 79, 101).
Perdition and the Three Degrees of Glory
Doctrine and Covenants 76:30-112; 131:1-4
Eternal Habitation |
Verse |
Actions/Works |
Consequences |
Perdition (no Kingdom or Glory) |
31 |
Known & partaken of Gods power |
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31 |
Suffered selves to be overcome by devil |
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31 |
Deny the truth and defy Gods power |
|
|
33 |
|
Vessels of wrath |
|
33 |
|
Doomed to suffer wrath of God |
|
34 |
|
No forgiveness in this world/world to come |
|
35 |
Denied Holy Spirit after receiving it |
|
|
35 |
Denied Only Begotten Son |
|
|
35 |
Crucified Son unto themselves, to an open shame |
|
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36 |
|
Go into lake of fire/brimstone w/ devil and angels |
|
37 |
|
Only ones whom second death shall have any power |
|
38 |
|
Not be redeemed in due time of the Lord |
|
48 |
|
The end, width, height, depth and misery none understand |
|
|
|
|
|
Celestial Kingdom |
51 |
Received testimony of Jesus |
|
51 |
Believed in Christs name |
|
|
51 |
Baptized in water in his name |
|
|
52 |
Keep commandments |
|
|
52 |
|
Washed and cleanses from sins |
|
52 |
Receive the Holy Spirit by laying on of hands by one ordained |
|
|
52, 53 |
Sealed by power of the Spirit |
|
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53 |
Overcome by faith |
|
|
53 |
|
Holy Spirit shed on them |
|
54 |
|
The Church of the Firstborn |
|
55 |
|
Father gives all things into their hands |
|
56 |
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Are priests and kings |
|
56 |
|
Received of Gods fullness and glory |
|
57 |
|
Priests after the order of the Only Begotten Son |
|
58 |
|
They are gods/sons of God |
|
59 |
|
All things are theirs |
|
60 |
|
Shall overcome all things |
|
62 |
|
Shall dwell in Gods and Christs presence forever |
|
63 |
|
Shall come with Christ to reign over the earth |
|
64 |
|
Have part in the first resurrection |
|
65 |
|
Come forth in resurrection of the just |
|
66 |
|
Have come unto Mount Zion, city of living God, holiest of all |
|
67 |
|
Come to general assembly and church of Enoch/Firstborn |
|
68 |
|
Names written in heaven |
|
69 |
|
Are just men made perfect through Jesus |
|
70 |
|
Bodies are celestial, glory as the glory of God |
|
131:2 |
Enter the new and everlasting covenant of marriage |
Enter into highest heaven/degree in celestial kingdom |
|
131:3-4 |
Does not enter into covenant |
Cannot have an increase |
|
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|
|
|
Terrestrial Kingdom |
72 |
Died without the law |
|
73 |
Spirits kept in prison |
|
|
74 |
Received testimony of Christ in spirit world |
|
|
75 |
Honorable men of the earth |
|
|
75 |
Blinded by craftiness of men |
|
|
76 |
|
Received glory but not fullness |
|
77 |
Received presence of Son, but not the Father |
|
|
78 |
|
Bodies are terrestrial |
|
79 |
Not valiant in the testimony of Jesus |
Obtain not crown over kingdom of God |
|
|
|
|
|
Telestial Kingdom |
82 |
Received not gospel of Christ |
|
82 |
Received not testimony of Jesus |
|
|
83 |
Deny not the Holy Spirit |
|
|
84 |
|
Thrust down to hell |
|
85 |
|
Not redeemed from devil till Christ has finished his work |
|
86 |
Received not of Christ fullness in eternal world |
|
|
86 |
Received Holy Spirit through ministration of the terrestrial |
|
|
88 |
Receive the administering of angels |
|
|
88 |
Heirs of salvation |
|
|
89 |
|
Telestial surpasses all understanding |
|
99-100 |
Those who are some of one and some of another |
|
|
102 |
|
Not be gathered with the saints, church of the Firstborn |
|
103 |
Are liars, adulterers, whoremongers, loves and makes lies |
|
|
104 |
|
Suffered wrath of God on earth |
|
105 |
|
Suffer the vengeance of eternal fire |
|
106 |
|
Suffer the wrath of God until fullness of times |
|
109 |
|
Were as innumerable as the stars |
|
112 |
|
Be servants of God |
|
112 |
|
Cannot go where God and Christ dwell |
Just wondering why this small group only seems concerned with pointing out the faults of Mormons.
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Gosh my computer wont show the follow on post where it states why Joey Smith “seemed concerned with pointing out the faults of” Christians...
Plus the input from Briggy Young, Kimball, Snow, McConkle, Woodruff, another Smith, etc...
Do I need special soft ware ???
One of satans main deceptions is to wipe out the belief that he exists and that there is no hell. For obvious reasons.... Another is to occupy people in levels of advancement by working their way up their ladder.... and the “secrecy” of them so as to make people think they are “special”....
New Age/Hinduism and the like are also an endless file of steps and proceedures to the next level.......which all flies in the face that the Gospel of Christ is open and available to any who would come to Christ...by faith...not what they accomplish. Otherwise the cross no longer has meaning when one climbs the “ladder” of churchianity within any church body....it's null and void then.
“Christ in me the hope of Glory” is just that and that alone.