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To: rbmillerjr
Catholics invest all of their theological validity tokens in the group authority of the Romanist priesthood.

Negative. There is no Roman priesthood within the Catholic Church.

That Romanist priesthood accepts and continues to embrace Pelosi, Biden, Kennedy, and a host of other reprobate communist child murder-supporting servants of Lucifer, thereby negating any validity they may have held up to that point.

Interesting viewpoint. Is the Church to be a Church of sinners or a Church of saints?

John 8: 2 But early in the morning he arrived again in the temple area, and all the people started coming to him, and he sat down and taught them. 3 Then the scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery and made her stand in the middle. 4 They said to him, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the very act of committing adultery. 5 Now in the law, Moses commanded us to stone such women. 2 So what do you say?" 6 They said this to test him, so that they could have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and began to write on the ground with his finger. 3 7 4 But when they continued asking him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her." 8 Again he bent down and wrote on the ground. 9 And in response, they went away one by one, beginning with the elders. So he was left alone with the woman before him. 10 Then Jesus straightened up and said to her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" 11 She replied, "No one, sir." Then Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you. Go, (and) from now on do not sin any more."

I am no better than this woman. Neither, I would venture, are any of those reading these words. I will ask you again, what is the level of sanctification of nearly everyone that purports to follow Christ. If sinfulness were a measure of being thrown out of the Church and abandoned, then we have no need of Christ and we may as well abandon our souls to the likes of Calvin.

2,220 posted on 06/28/2010 5:11:08 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; The Comedian; rbmillerjr
Is the Church to be a Church of sinners or a Church of saints?

Interesting question. The "church" is the spiritual body of Christ, and because of that, it IS a church of saints since we are sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ. The "Church", I assume by that you mean the Roman Catholic Church, IS an assembly of both saints and sinners and so is every other organized Christian assembly. There is a distinction, then.

All should be welcomed into the faith, but people who continue in their sinful behaviors after joining and do so openly bring shame upon the others. This person should be confronted and lovingly shown the errors of his/her ways. As Jesus told the woman, "Go and sin no more.". A person who feels no moral conviction for sin nor an earnest, heart-felt desire to change, should be considered as not genuine and Scripture tells us should be expelled from the assembly. This action is intended to cause remorse and repentance and, hopefully, reconciliation. This, I believe, is the purpose of "excommunication" in your church.

So The Comedian's comments about Pelosi, Kerry, and Kennedy (moot point there, I know) was that their assembly took no such action and because of that neglect, other members could and do think the moral teachings of the church are optional. Does this explain better?

2,243 posted on 06/28/2010 8:20:34 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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