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To: Mad Dawg
The WORD priest evolved from the word presbyter. In the Catholic Church priests are often called presbyters, for example in some canons.

It does not matter what the Catholic church calls presbyters.. what matters is what GOD CALLS THEM..and it was God that chose greek as the language for the NT

The word presbyteros has a SPECIFIC meaning AND IT IS NOT PRIEST.

1) elder, of age,
a) the elder of two people b) advanced in life, an elder, a senior
1) forefathers
a term of rank or office
a) among the Jews

1) members of the great council or Sanhedrin (because in early times the rulers of the people, judges, etc., were selected from elderly men)
2) of those who in separate cities managed public affairs and administered justice
b) among the Christians, those who presided over the assemblies (or churches) The NT uses the term bishop, elders, and presbyters interchangeably
c) the twenty four members of the heavenly Sanhedrin or court seated on thrones around the throne of God

If God had intended a priesthood in the new church, He would have said so ..using the greek words for priest

archiereus which translates into "High Priest" and hiereus which translates one that OFFERS SACRIFICES.

God did not use those words because the Jewish priesthood was a type of Christ which was fulfilled on the cross..

In AD 70, God put an exclamation point on that by destroying the Jewish priesthood as well..The type was fulfilled on the cross

Mad Dog you can go on and on..but scripture speaks for itself.. NO priesthood in the new testament church .

During Constantine's rule the church was corrupted and a part of that corruption was a return to the priesthood

19 posted on 06/13/2010 4:18:14 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Priest: Main Entry: priest Pronunciation: \ˈprēst\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English preist, from Old English prēost, ultimately from Late Latin presbyter — more at presbyter Date: before 12th century : one authorized to perform the sacred rites of a religion especially as a mediatory agent between humans and God; specifically : an Anglican, Eastern Orthodox, or Roman Catholic clergyman ranking below a bishop and above a deacon
20 posted on 06/13/2010 4:25:15 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: RnMomof7
presbyter Ads by Google What to Perform Weddings? Get Ordained Online. View State Law Use Ceremony Planner, Get Guidance www.ministerialseminary.com 1. What Is a "Haphephobic" So Afraid Of? 2. 3. Main Entry: pres·by·ter Pronunciation: \ˈprez-bə-tər, ˈpres-\ Function: noun Etymology: Late Latin, elder, priest, from Greek presbyteros, comparative of presbys old man, elder; akin to Greek pro before and Greek bainein to go — more at for, come Date: 1597 1 : a member of the governing body of an early Christian church 2 : a member of the order of priests in churches having episcopal hierarchies that include bishops, priests, and deacons 3 : elder 4b — pres·byt·er·ate \prez-ˈbi-tə-rət, pres-, -ˌrāt\ noun
21 posted on 06/13/2010 4:28:10 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: RnMomof7
Mad Dog you can go on and on.....

So evidently can you.

.... but scripture speaks for itself.. NO priesthood in the new testament church .

I've granted no OT priesthood in the Church. But you have not shown that Christ's priesthood is not in the Church, which was the point I was suggesting.

Once again, you argue not against what we teach but against some fantasy of your own mind.

If God had intended a priesthood in the new church, He would have said so ..using the Greek words for priest

Oh please. And if He had intended Sola Scriptura He would have said that, probably in German or French, no doubt. And if He had intended sola fide he would certainly have avoided saying, "And so you see man is not saved by faith alone."

And yet we are accused of rubber hermeneutics! As far as I can see we are called a kingdom of priests, and yet you will have no priests in the Church.

I'll stick with the Bible.

28 posted on 06/13/2010 4:58:56 PM PDT by Mad Dawg ("Be kind to everyone you meet, for every person is fighting a great battle" -- St. Ephraim)
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To: RnMomof7

“And to whom you have pardoned any thing, I also. For, what I have pardoned, if I have pardoned any thing, for your sakes have I done it in the person of Christ.” 2 Corinthians 2:10


30 posted on 06/13/2010 5:09:01 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RnMomof7
During Constantine's rule the church was corrupted and a part of that corruption was a return to the priesthood

Thank you for your post...I had not long ago read further of Constintine and also of the Roman populace then....which were very much involved in occultic worship complete with an adorned and robed priesthood, and other alter/idol rituals practiced and fully acceptable in Rome. It was what they did on a very normal basis. Even Constantine objected to these infiltrating the church.

35 posted on 06/14/2010 1:46:03 AM PDT by caww
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