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To: Natural Law; annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; Iscool; Quix; RnMomof7

Curious why the obsession with Solas. Among those whose faith is guided by the Word of God (as opposed to those whose faith lies primarily in the authority of a group & traditions) the terms Sola ... are not some kind of bedrock doctrinal terms in and of themselves. They simply describe perspectives that the Scripture promotes. Shorthand, if you will.

For example, Eph. 2:8ff is one of the many places that Paul sets out the fact that once the Gentiles became includable in Israel’s Messiah, the means by which that inclusion occured is “grace through faith, and that not of yourselves”. If Paul went on to say, grace would be conferred by other men, or by an organization, or by the Eucharist, or even by personal commitments we would be inclined to listen to you. But, the text delivered by the Apostle pre dating anything Roman Catholic simply says, “it is the gift of God; not as result of works, that no one should boast.” Oila’, Sola Gratia, Sola Fide explained.

Because this view is assailed by those claiming it is inadequate and more must be added, we simply reply, “Well, the text was there first, so we will stick with Sola Scriptura to guide us. Crackpots of every stripe will attempt to alter what is true and the Scripture provides a immovable foundation.”

Solas describe these facts. No one that I know claims that they appear in the text any more than the word “Trinity” appears in a text, yet we hold that precious truth to be a summary of the text’s collective argument. So, if your questions are intended to ask, “Does the Bible’s aggregate message teach the Solas?” We would say “yes, of course.” If you want to know where, read the entire text and you will find them.


149 posted on 06/16/2010 8:31:03 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

INDEED TO THE MAX.

THX.


152 posted on 06/16/2010 8:35:10 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Dutchboy88

Great point, Dutchboy88. I don’t understand the obsession with Solas, either. You know, if any mention of Paul and Paul’s Epistles were taken from the New Testament, the argument would stop. we would have the Gospels, fulfilling prophecies of the Old Testament, we would have Acts, where Peter speaks on the Day of Pentecost, calling for the restoration of Israel, and the accepting of Jesus Christ as their Messiah, we would have Israel rejecting that once again, we would have Israel becoming Lo Ammi (not my people) and the blinding of the Jews, and then we would have Hebrews, calling out to the 12 tribes scattered abroad for restoration and once again, confirming Christ as Messiah, through Revelation, and Christ returning to reign over his Kingdom Throne, with Peter and the 11 judging the 12 tribes of Israel. It’s unbroken and very easy to understand. Without Paul’s Epistles. Did you ever notice that on the day of Pentecost, Peter does NOT speak of Christ dying for our sins? That was not known until that revelvation and Gospel was given to Paul. It’s simply because Paul’s distinct mission is either ignored or watered down in order to “fit” someplace” that it doesn’t belong, that problems begin. And men decided to meet to try to tell us what they think Paul meant. And traditions begin. Along with creeds, dogma, “visions”, and “miracles”. It’s a sad shame that The Dispensation of the Grace of God is not understood for what it plainly states that it is.


154 posted on 06/16/2010 8:53:31 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn)
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To: Dutchboy88; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...
imho,
IT IS A VERY TELLING
DISPLAY OF
VATICAN INSTITUTIONAL
IDOLATRY AND ARROGANCE
TO TAKE THE
SUPREMELY
CHEEKY
POSITION THEY DO
ABOUT
SOLA SCRIPTURA
AND/OR
FAITH ALONE.

CHRIST HIMSELF!
KING OF KINGS,
LORD OF LORDS,
CREATOR OF ALL THAT IS,
CHRIST HIMSELF!
DID NOT REFER
AS A POINT OF AUTHORITY
TO HIMSELF.
THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS,
CREATOR OF ALL THAT IS,
AS A POINT OF AUTHORITY
REFERRED TO:
"IT IS WRITTEN!"
"IT IS WRITTEN!"
"IT IS WRITTEN!"
"IT IS WRITTEN!"
"IT IS WRITTEN!"
"IT IS WRITTEN!"
"IT IS WRITTEN!"

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

The Vatican bureaucratic magicsterical arrogant power-mongers from their club's beginnings around 300-400AD decided

THEY

WERE BETTER THAN,
OUT-RANKED
THE KING OF KINGS, LORD OF LORDS, CREATOR OF ALL THAT IS!

THEY

Could use as THEIR points of pseudo authority

!!!!TRADITION!!!!

!THEY!
could appeal
TO THEMSELVES!

or to their dusty boned predecessors!
as points of pseudo authority!

ARROGANCE TO THE MAX.

What cheek!

And they think God doesn't notice such arrogance?

CHRIST HIMSELF DID NOT APPEAL TO HIS OWN AUTHORITY but said repeatedly:

"IT IS WRITTEN!" "IT IS WRITTEN!" "IT IS WRITTEN!"

And still the vain-glorious haughty institution and near all the prancing officials thereof

IGNORE CHRIST'S STANDARD OF

IT IS WRITTEN!

AND slip and slide, wail and whine, rationalize, elasticize, mangle and trash Scripture in favor of

!!!!!!!!!!TRADITIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doctrines of men and of demons,

political gerrymandering in theological white hankies,

Where's the barf bag!

I realize the above solid points will not be dealt with rationally if faced at all.

It's !!!!TRADITION!!!! to avoid what can't be rationally, realistically, Biblically countered.

159 posted on 06/16/2010 9:14:29 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Dutchboy88; Natural Law; Dr. Eckleburg; Iscool; Quix; RnMomof7

Eph. 2:8ff teaches salvation by grace alone, but not by faith alone, since it lists good works alongside the faith. “Grace Alone” is the correct Catholic doctrine.

The two solas are counterscriptural error, no matter how long you take to explain them. That is not “obsession” to point out gross error, especially on the thread where demands to point out the priesthood in the scripture were made and answered.


219 posted on 06/16/2010 5:06:21 PM PDT by annalex
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